Let's debate homosexuality and religion

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Wed, 03-27-2013 - 2:03pm

The same-sex case that the Supreme Court is hearing this week has me thinking a lot about this subject. I recently stumbled upon an article that gives a fantastic rebuttal to the Old Testament story that many Christians (not me!!) like to pull out as an example of why the Bible condems homosexuality:

http://crossexaminedblog.com/2012/03/09/does-the-old-testament-condemn-homosexuality/

Part 2 : http://crossexaminedblog.com/2012/03/12/does-the-old-testament-condemn-homosexuality-2-of-2/

This part sums up how I feel: " Verses like this would saddle Christians with all the Old Testament customs, from the sacrifices to the crazy stuff like genocide that they’d like to distance themselves from, and they’ll say that they apply to Jews only. Fair enough—then stop cherry picking Old Testament passages if the Old Testament doesn’t apply to you."

This "cherry-picking" of Bible versers drives me nuts. To me, the overall nature of Christians is to LOVE, not HATE, their neighbors and this is how I chose to believe and live my life. 

Agree? Disagree? Just try not to call me a Nazi Wink

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Wed, 03-27-2013 - 6:13pm

Again you devolve your argument into one where disapproval over what other people do and/or say equals hate...unless, of course, you actually hate everyone you disagree with?

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Wed, 03-27-2013 - 10:07pm

My apathy towards gay rights leaves me out of this one... All that I know is that we don't have the right to tell them what to do... like abortion.. I must ask the question.. Who am I to tell them how to live their lives. So don't be such a Nazi about it :) jk

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Wed, 03-27-2013 - 11:03pm

According to the "About" page of the website, the author is an atheist. 


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Thu, 03-28-2013 - 11:57pm

All that I know is that we don't have the right to tell them what to do... like abortion.

You don't feel you have "the right" to try and stop one person from murdering another person?

And the issue over gay marriage, is one of the pro-gay marriage crowd trying to tell society what to do and how it must redefine it's institutions, not the reverse.

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Mon, 04-01-2013 - 4:52pm

Zygotes, embryos, and fetuses aren't persons. Americans reserve that designation for corporations. lol 

Society is continually redesigning its institutions. That's the nature of society. But go ahead, tell us how education, medicine, the law, religion, the media, the family, etc haven't changed in millenia. Then we'll all know exactly where edification is required. 

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Mon, 04-01-2013 - 8:24pm

Zygotes, embryos, and fetuses aren't persons. Americans reserve that designation for corporations. lol

Good one.  But you left out a very significant qualifier for the aforementioned "zygotes, embryos and fetuses"..."human."  They are all stages of HUMAN development.  From the fertilized egg onward, the being is nothing other than human.

Society is continually redesigning its institutions. That's the nature of society.

Marriage has been pretty constant...but tell us what social institutions has our society redesigned?...and which have been for the better?

But go ahead, tell us how education, medicine, the law, religion, the media, the family, etc haven't changed in millenia. Then we'll all know exactly where edification is required.

Obviously things have changed in certain areas, but the infusion of liberalism has only served to diminish society and it's "institutions."  So change for change's sake can hardly be considered a good thing.  If you'd like to raise specific points rather than generalities (education, law, etc), perhaps we can debate them.

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deenasdad wrote:
<div><div><div><div><p><strong>Zygotes, embryos, and fetuses aren't persons. Americans reserve that designation for corporations. lol</strong></p><p>Good one.  But you left out a very significant qualifier for the aforementioned "zygotes, embryos and fetuses"..."human."  They are all stages of HUMAN development.  From the fertilized egg onward, the being is nothing other than human.</p><p><strong>Society is continually redesigning its institutions. That's the nature of society.</strong></p><p>Marriage has been pretty constant...but tell us what social institutions has our society redesigned?...and which have been for the better?<strong><br /></strong></p><p><strong>But go ahead, tell us how education, medicine, the law, religion, the media, the family, etc haven't changed in millenia. Then we'll all know exactly where edification is required.</strong></p><p>Obviously things have changed in certain areas, but the infusion of liberalism has only served to diminish society and it's "institutions."  So change for change's sake can hardly be considered a good thing.  If you'd like to raise specific points rather than generalities (education, law, etc), perhaps we can debate them.</p></div></div></div></div>

Very good post deenasdad.  There will be no such thing as "natural order" one of these years thanks to the direction libs are taking these kinds of issues.   

 

 

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Thu, 04-11-2013 - 12:29pm

deenasdad wrote:
<p>Again you devolve your argument into one where disapproval over what other people do and/or say equals hate...unless, of course, you actually hate everyone you disagree with?</p>

Of course I hate everyone that I disagree with! Doesn't everyone? Kidding, of course. We need a sarcasm font!

Not sure how you concluded that my argumenent devolved into "disapporoval what other people do and/say equals hate". It was one sentence in my post. Just as the "cherry-picking" of Bible-verses was one sentence. Neither have weight over the other. I guess my sentence about love vs. hate comes from all the stories you hear about gay kids (and adults) being bullied and even killed in this country. I'm sure it has (rarely) happened but I cannot personally remember the opposite happen: hearing about a child or adult being bullied or killed by gay people simply because they were "anti-gay".

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Thu, 04-11-2013 - 8:58pm

I think Nascar is an abomination, also the NFL..Blasphemy! Politics... Religion...Constructs of the Devil!!! But enough people like it Sooo.. (Backing away with hands in the air).....

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Thu, 04-11-2013 - 9:01pm

People want to Destroy what they Hate, Hate what they Fear, and Fear what they do not Understand or cannot Control!

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