A narrow scope on things

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A narrow scope on things
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Mon, 03-11-2013 - 3:39pm

You know those puzzles that are images made up of scenes from movies? Like mickey mouse made up of scenes from his cartoons? That is how I view Religion! Each scene, in this case, would represent a religion or superstitious belief. The whole picture would be God (I would assume) What I am saying is that if you look too closely at your specific idealology or faith You cannot see the big picture, or even the other "scenes" that make up that picture! As skeptical as I am about the judeo-christian god, or Allah, or Yaweh.... I am far more skeptical about the people that keep such narrow minded beliefs! Each time you think that you are on the one true path to the "Glory of God" you are ignoring or discrediting the other beliefs or ideals!

It appears to me as deliberate ignorance to belief you are of the only true faith! I mean come on! I found out a long time ago that "You see what you want to see".. and "whatever helps you sleep at night" I guess my main conern is that the stubborness is hurting us (obviously) and I dream of a time when we can finally shed our illusion of being seperate from "God"

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Registered: 03-09-2013
Mon, 03-11-2013 - 10:48pm

Religion teaches us how to be in union with God.  It is not a Mickey Mouse cartoon.  Relativism and indifference to truth are errors.


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Registered: 10-17-2012
Tue, 03-12-2013 - 2:07am

I think you have a skewed perception of religion from the outset. The "big picture," if you will, is God "himself" and his "plan"...which are, in fact, unknown to us.  Religion, on the other hand, is a set of beliefs and conduct that enable the believer to honor and live under the auspices of God, not to define "him."

I would also disagree with your description of religious beliefs as "narrow minded"...do you think it's narrow minded to believe that Earth revolves around the Sun even if someone else believed it didn't?  Why do you believe anything "science" says?...especially when there are almost always other "scientists" who disagree?  Many people believe that Jesus and Moses and Mohammad are credible sources...certainly as credible as the "scientists" who claimed we were heading for another ice age a few decades ago and now say the earth is catestrophically warming.

There must be a factual truth, but cince God cannot be factually proven, right or wrong, it all comes down to faith and the credibility you afford the various people who claim to speak his word.

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Registered: 07-29-2012
Tue, 03-12-2013 - 1:03pm

I will admit I was at 2 days no sleep when I wrote that! But you missed the point entirely and responded defensively without even aknowledging that my point is valid... (mostly) so forget the mickey mouse analogy..( i just thought it was clever, not factual). Anyways that seems to be the standard for debating religion... to discredit others points of view, so I guess I contradicted my own point by even posting it on a debate form lol

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Registered: 04-16-2009
Tue, 03-12-2013 - 1:05pm

I can only assume that you have no scientific training.

You treat science as if we "believe" science as you "believe" in your religion.  Science is constantly evolving as we learn more about the world arround us. We do not speak about "truths" in science, only facts and how those facts are interpreted with the knownledge we have. 

Scientists present the facts, based on empirical and experimental data. The data, how that data was obtained etc.. and the conclusions are debated and reviewed.

The data is refutabable that over the last century, the earth's average temperature rose 1.4 degrees F with 2/3rds of that increase incuring from 1980.  You might think that is not a large increase. But that increase points a drastic increase in energy to fuel storms in our atmosphere.

It is also causing problems in the far north already with melting ice sheets and destruction of the Artic habitant. As a American living in a temperate zone, you might say so what? But this melting of the ice sheets has a profound impact on the earth, its climate and its economy.  It will impact your life by more extreme weather systems etc..

I wrote this before and I say it again. We are INVESTIGATING what is the cause of this increase. The recent suggestion of a potential mini ice age are based on observations that there are indications that the  sun may be enterring a period of low sunspot activity. Note the word "indicates". Low activity would mean lower solar energy output. This complicates the situation even further because it is one of the contributing factors to the climate as well as human activity, volcanic activity, ocean currents etc..

I do not know why you bring climate change into a discussion of religion. As fas as I know (and I have read the Koran and the Bible plus Gnostic texts), thoses religious texts say NOTHING about climate change.

A great many Muslems and Christians have NO problem with science. Many scientists are Muslems, Christians, Hindus etc.. The Christians may not be fundamental (Bible word-for-word) Christians but they are still Christians.

 

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Tue, 03-12-2013 - 1:13pm

I believe that God is everything! There I said it! Of course I could be wrong... but who cares! I am not starting any holy wars over it or burning witches! Like I said.. it is very possible that any one of the thousands of gods could be real (including Zues) which, to me, all look like "pieces" to my God (Everything) My contradiction is that I feel the same empowerment from my beliefs as you do so I can understand the stubborness or narow mindedness that comes with arrogance! So you see we are the same! I just hope that some day we wil ALL finally see that!

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Registered: 07-29-2012
Tue, 03-12-2013 - 1:17pm

Debating science is like using double talk! Everything you say cancels itself out and basically you have said nothing lol

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Registered: 04-16-2009
Tue, 03-12-2013 - 3:36pm

Double talk? Cancelling things out? Really? Said nothing?

The climate system is a very complicated system. Many factors contribute to the system on both the micro and macro level.  That is the point.

Observing that the sun shows indications that it is enterring an unusal period of sunspot activity does not negate the impact of other contributing factors to the climate. It  adds a further complicating factor.

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Registered: 07-29-2012
Tue, 03-12-2013 - 4:13pm

I meant to debate against science!

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Registered: 07-29-2012
Tue, 03-12-2013 - 4:15pm

You are debating science with people who have already made up there mind! If it contradicts their scriptures you may as well be telling them that the sun is actually the moon set on fire!

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Registered: 04-16-2009
Wed, 03-13-2013 - 5:20pm

Finalfan.

I understand what you are referring to.

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