Why are Catholics so closed- minded?

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Why are Catholics so closed- minded?
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Thu, 01-31-2013 - 9:51am

Grrr...this story makes me so mad! Transgender teacher sues Catholic prep school for alleged discrimination:

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/11/transgender-teacher-sues-catholic-prep-school-for-alleged-discrimination/

According to the story, this teacher was well loved by the students and had previously been teaching for 32 years! But things started to downspiral for the teacher when ONE parent- ONE!- complained about his appearance. He then "came out" to his employers and admonished. Then a few months later...let go from his position.

I don't understand how his appearance and gender indentification (he still conformed to school dress codes) outweigh all the wonderful things students have said about him- he's so well admired by the students that they even started a petition in support of him. Why are Catholics so close-minded about such things?!? I think this student said it best: "We the students/alumni/ and staff of Prep are supposed to be good 'Christians' and that means not only going the extra step to be kind to others, but also that we must be accepting and loving to EVERYONE."


I know my church's motto is "open hearts, open minds, open doors" and I love them for it.

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Registered: 10-23-2001
Tue, 02-12-2013 - 2:13pm

I am a cradle catholic, I went to catholic schools through 12th grade and all.... I don't consider myself devout (I don't shove catholicism down people's throats!) but I do defend the positions of the church. Catholic schools do promote the foundations of their faith, We just don't hear it b/c we eithe raren't listening or we'd rather divert the attention to issues like this.  100% graduation rates are to be admired and that's not just b/c of academic standards, Some catholic schools rate at or below public schools.   You're right, Catholic schools don't only take catholic families anymore, that is the way it was when I was there and school masses were once a week with full participation..  Long story short, Private institutions are and should be protected by the constitution, I think the church is still fighting that whole HHS mandate, They also have every right to deny a student or staff member too. Heck, that's a lot of the reason why people run for the private schools - it keeps the public problems out.

 

 

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Registered: 04-16-2009
Mon, 02-11-2013 - 5:38pm

Most Catholics I know (and I was one for this first 15 years of my life) could not care less if the person is gay or not. The point is, in the Catholic Church is not that you are gay but that you do not live as a gay. Sex is suppose to be only for procreation, so as long as you a celebate, no problems. Since the Church does not recognize same-sex marriage and sex is suppose to be only for marriage...

Here, the Catholic Church or any other church for that matter cannot dictate who or what gets covered by a health plan. No one would stand for it. We had a recent uproar by the Catholic Church over Gay-Straight Alliance Clubs and anti-bullying government initiatives in our schools. They objected to the name. The government told them to "take a hike", it was up to the students if they wanted to call their clubs whatever they wanted. Since our Catholic schools get funding from the government (long story..), they did not have a leg to stand on. In fact, you don't even have to be Catholic to send your kid to a Catholic school.

The days when any religion had a significant control of any of our schools is long gone. We also have standards that all our schools,private or otherwise, have to meet, in order for the province to issue high school diplomas. This keeps the level of education even in the private schools (which tend to be not as good as in the public schools) at a good level.

As long as the teacher is not forcing his/her own agenda and is not engaged in any illegal activity, it does not matter if they are gay or straight, communist or whatever.

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Registered: 03-09-2001
Sun, 02-10-2013 - 3:04pm

"New York state's human rights law states that an employer cannot discharge an employee because of 'an individual's age, race, creed, color, national origin, sexual orientation, military status, sex, disability, predisposing genetic characteristics, marital status, or domestic violence victim status.'"

Quoted from this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270598/Transgender-teacher-sues...

This will take some time to get resolved and have the laws sorted out, I'm guessing. Religious private schools are in business to inculcate their religious believes in the students, of course, and to that end, hire teachers to do just that, or who "fit the bill" and are believers. And parents pay the tuition to do exactly that, see that their children are taught their religion's dogma. Can private schools do what this one did, and break secular laws? I really don't know. I guess we will have to wait and see. Personally, I wouldn't want to work for an employer enforcing some religious dogma on me. And for teachers, right now, changing employment with the bad economy and public schools closing for lack of funding, may not be an easy option for him. It will be interesting to see the outcome. I did google but only came up with the original blog article and the one at the link above. No more recent information as to the status of the lawsuit, apparently.



Blessings,

Gypsy

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Registered: 10-23-2001
Fri, 02-08-2013 - 8:12am
What's your problem with it? Catholic schools are funded by private dollars not public, They have every right to discriminate based on church doctrine they defend... How far did the lawsuit get?

 

 

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Registered: 10-17-2012
Tue, 02-05-2013 - 2:46am

A nudist would still have to adhere to the school dress code, so it should not be an issue.

I'm sure some clever lawyer could manufacture a "civil rights" defense that would cost the school millions and brow-beat the administration into accepting a buck-naked math teacher.  But the point was rhetorical...someone's personal lifestyle, especially if it's "unconventional," shouldn't be thrust upon children without the consent of their parents.

What's is wrong with being an anarchist?

Really?  You can't see an issue with having someone with subversive and anti-American views teaching our children?  Really?

Polygamy would only be a factor if they had a "Teachers bring their spouses to work day".

One might think the problems would be limited to that, but as we've seen with Obama idolatry among teachers, "unconventional" ideologies have a tendency to permeate the classroom and infect our children.

What's is wrong with being a Communist?

 Besides it being anti-American, most parents wouldn't want their children to be indoctrinated in to a failed ideology that they personally disagreed with.

Personally, I think that parents should have a voice in who is teaching their children...or the choice to remove their children from an offending environment and freely place their children in an environment that is more compatible with their personal beliefs.

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Registered: 12-20-2003
Mon, 02-04-2013 - 10:54pm

A nudist would still have to adhere to the school dress code, so it should not be an issue.

What's is wrong with being an anarchist?

Polygamy would only be a factor if they had a "Teachers bring their spouses to work day".

What's is wrong with being a Communist?

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Registered: 10-17-2012
Mon, 02-04-2013 - 4:37am

What if s/he was a nudist, or an anarchist, or a polygamist, or a communist, etc, etc, etc...and this person displayed their proclivity to the kids in the classroom?  I think the parents, with a different ideology, might have the same kind of objections to their kids being exposed to something the parents disagree with.

Most parents send their kids to school to be educated in the "3 Rs," not to be indoctrinated in "alternative" livestyles.

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Registered: 03-09-2001
Sun, 02-03-2013 - 3:02pm

Sadly, the nonacceptance for the LGBT community is part of the Catholic Church's official policy. Not all Catholics follow that dictate, however, and there are groups of both nuns & priests that are now fighting both the male only policy for priests as well as the LGBT policies. Many Catholics are not "fundamentalist" Catholics, IOW. But that is not really very different than other Christian denominations, that can run the gamut from liberal to ultra conservative and fundamentalist. Many fully welcome both women to leadership and the LGBT community. And others do not.

And because this is a *private* religious school, I'm not sure of their legality in firing this teacher. That will have to be sorted out (as will the ability for Catholic employers to refuse to provide birth control in the health coverage they offer their employees, whether employees are Catholics or not). They want only teachers professing the full Church policies and obviously this teacher does not fit in to those policies. That he came out after hiring and working there, put the school in the position of having to fire him, at least in their eyes. And the school is subject to the dictates of the official Catholic Church and it's policies. And that may also mean $$$ as well as other things, so they have to obey the power structure. I remember reading an article sometime last year about a woman teacher who was also fired because she and her husband used IVF, also against Church policy: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/catholic-school-teacher-fir...



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Gypsy

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Registered: 04-16-2009
Fri, 02-01-2013 - 3:18pm

Catholics are no worse nor any better than any other religious group.

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Registered: 12-20-2003
Fri, 02-01-2013 - 12:13am

In my experience with Catholics, some of them are open-minded, and some are close-minded, most are somewhere in between.  Just like the rest of the population.

All you need is one closed-minded person in the chain of command to mess things up.

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