Is this appropriate ?

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Is this appropriate ?
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Sun, 07-04-2004 - 5:51pm
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/02/bush.churches.reut/index.html

Hmmm, Bush wants to mobilize church goers to vote for him. I think this is a little inappropriate. I find it a little scary that he wants churches to mail their church directories to state campaign headquarters. I think alot of people would have a problem with their name in a church directory being used that way. Anytime that I have put my name in a directory for a church, social or civic club etc., school, etc. it was with the explicit promise that our names, address and phone numbers would not be redistributed. I would be FURIOUS if I listed my name in a directory, and had my name redistributed to an outside solicitor. If I got a phone call from someone campaigning for a political candidate, and I found out they got my phone # from the directory, I would probobly quit the organization that redistributed my name in that manner.

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Sun, 07-04-2004 - 8:53pm

It won't happen, don't worry.

~christine~

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Mon, 07-05-2004 - 12:13am
"It won't happen, don't worry. No church in their right mind would treat their congregation with such disrespect."

No president in his right mind would suggest such a thing. That is what is so scary.

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Mon, 07-05-2004 - 3:59pm
Bush has always tried to put a religious spin on whatever he does or wants to do, IMO. :// It's his mistaken belief, I think, that appearing religious will equate in voters' minds with moral and righteius. Only one problem -- this country is not a "Christian nation" nor is our gov't a theocracy, much to his disappointment, I'm sure, LOL! Our gov't must represent ALL of us, the diverse Anerican, not just one segment. That is the responsibility of those in gov't. They servse ALL of us, not just one religious agenda or any other "agenda."I see him as dangerous because he wears his religion as some kind of banner of credibility. Now THAT is scary because he is trying to abuse his political power to push his religious agenda. In so doing, IMO he is betraying the foundation and vision of this country.


Blessings,

Gypsy

)O(



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Mon, 07-05-2004 - 8:47pm
I read an article on line earlier, where a Baptist church sharply critisised Bush for wanting them to turn over the church directories. I think this church was mostly supportive of Bush but thought this behavior was innappropriate. Bush could end up alienating the people that he is trying to rally to his cause.

I will try to find the link later. I'm getting ready to watch a video with my hubby.

edited to add this link

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-bush-campaign-churches,0,6114903.story


Edited 7/6/2004 11:18 am ET ET by idramamama

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Tue, 07-06-2004 - 11:31am
>>No church in their right mind would treat their congregation with such disrespect.<<

The stories I've read about this suggest that they're not looking for *churches* to do this, but *individuals* within congregations.

Sneaky...

Pete

"My eyes! The goggles do nothing!"

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Registered: 03-27-2003
Tue, 07-06-2004 - 11:47am
"The stories I've read about this suggest that they're not looking for *churches* to do this, but *individuals* within congregations."

This disclaimer is printed in our school directory

"This directory is for the exclusive use of *******. Any use of this directory for profit or SOLICITATION is strictly prohibited . . ."

I think this is a very common disclaimer in civic organizations directory. I think common sense would tell people this, even without the disclaimer, but I guess common sense is not that common. The Baptist church in the article that I linked earlier in the thread does not approve of this tactic. If enough churches refuse to participate in this electioneering scheme, perhaps Bush will back off. I find it scary that he even would do this to begin with.

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Tue, 07-06-2004 - 11:35pm
I really hope you all kick this zealot out in November!
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Tue, 07-13-2004 - 6:53pm
Late in the game I know.

I would be furious too. They should definitely NOT do it without permission.

I will not comment on the person who lives in the whitehouse.

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Fri, 07-23-2004 - 5:27pm
Here is more info on the Bush campaign's snooping tactics. Now they are asking for directories of the RCC.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-4342081,00.html

Church directories are generally printed and distributed for the use of it church members ONLY. Here is a quote from the article from one RCC confirming that this is true for their church

----Quote from article-----------

Parish directories often contain personal information about church members, including names of family members, home addresses and phone numbers. Iverson said she did not know if the GOP had sought similar directories from other religious organizations or how many Catholic directories it received in response to Gillespie's request.

Susan Gibbs, the spokeswoman for the Catholic Archdiocese of Washington, D.C., which oversees 140 parishes in Washington and Maryland, said parish directories publish information only for use among church members and not for use by outside organizations no matter what their purpose.

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BTW, the link to the article about Bush's attempt to snoop into the directories of Southern Baptist church's is no longer on line.

This man's campaing tactics disgust me! I also just found some really smarmy tactics that he used in the primaries. He allowed "push pollers" to imply that John McCain had fathered an illegitimate child. Here's a link to that article

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04123/308586.stm

Here's a quote from that article, showing just how low the campaing workers will go to smear their political opponent

----quote from article------

McCain, a fighter pilot shot down and imprisoned by the North Vietnamese, saw his whole family trashed by the Rove machine after McCain had the temerity to beat Bush in the 2000 New Hampshire primary. Soon afterward, phone workers in South Carolina started making calls to potential primary voters there asking hypothetical questions about whether they'd be more or less likely to vote for McCain if they knew he'd fathered an illegitimate black child.

He hadn't, and they didn't say he had; they merely posed a hypothetical, but the fact that McCain and his wife have adopted a dark-skinned Bangladeshi girl who regularly appeared with the McCains at campaign stops all over South Carolina conveniently allowed racists and morons alike to put 2 and 2 together and get 5.

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Sheeeesh, I hope this man loses this term. (That is, if he doesn't use our occupation of Iraq as an excuse to cancel the election)

OK, rant over.


Edited 7/23/2004 5:31 pm ET ET by idramamama

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Sat, 07-24-2004 - 12:42pm
Oh, so its not enough for Bush that the Catholic hierarchy is backing him to the hilt over one of our own? It's not enough that they DELIBERATELY raised the old stereotype that a Catholic president would become a puppet of Rome to hurt John Kerry's chances? It is not enough that some of them went as far as to threaten people that voted for Kerry or other "pro-choice" candidates with excommunication? Now Bush wants our parish directories as well?

When does enough become "too much" with this man? Ever? Apparently not:

*****Soon afterward, phone workers in South Carolina started making calls to potential primary voters there asking hypothetical questions about whether they'd be more or less likely to vote for McCain if they knew he'd fathered an illegitimate black child.

He hadn't, and they didn't say he had; they merely posed a hypothetical, but the fact that McCain and his wife have adopted a dark-skinned Bangladeshi girl who regularly appeared with the McCains at campaign stops all over South Carolina conveniently allowed racists and morons alike to put 2 and 2 together and get 5*****

That is about as low as low can get. I don't even have the words to express my disgust. If I ever thought for a second about voting for Bush, I've changed my mind. There is no way in the world I'm voting for a man who'd stoop to such tactics. And I thought Clinton was smarmy!

Alisha



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