Faint Writing Seen on Shroud of Turin

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Sat, 11-21-2009 - 1:07am

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wirestory?id=9135201&page=1

Researcher: Faint Writing Seen on Shroud of Turin
Vatican researcher says faint writing on Shroud of Turin proves its authenticity

By ARIEL DAVID
The Associated Press

ROME

A Vatican researcher has rekindled the age-old debate over the Shroud of Turin, saying that faint writing on the linen proves it was the burial cloth of Jesus. Experts say the historian may be reading too much into the markings, and they stand by carbon-dating that points to the shroud being a medieval forgery.

Barbara Frale, a researcher at the Vatican archives, says in a new book that she used computer-enhanced images of the shroud to decipher faintly written words in Greek, Latin and Aramaic scattered across the cloth.

She asserts that the words include the name "(J)esu(s) Nazarene" — or Jesus of Nazareth — in Greek. That, she said, proves the text could not be of medieval origin because no Christian at the time, even a forger, would have mentioned Jesus without referring to his divinity. Failing to do so would risk being branded a heretic.

"Even someone intent on forging a relic would have had all the reasons to place the signs of divinity on this object," Frale said Friday. "Had we found 'Christ' or the 'Son of God' we could have considered it a hoax, or a devotional inscription."

The shroud bears the figure of a crucified man, complete with blood seeping from his hands and feet, and believers say Christ's image was recorded on the linen's fibers at the time of his resurrection.

The fragile artifact, owned by the Vatican, is kept locked in a protective chamber in a Turin cathedral and is rarely shown. Measuring 13 feet (four meters) long and three feet (one meter) wide, the shroud has suffered severe damage through the centuries, including from fire.

The Catholic Church makes no claims about the cloth's authenticity, but says it is a powerful symbol of Christ's suffering.

There has been strong debate about it in the scientific community.

Skeptics point out that radiocarbon dating conducted on the cloth in 1988 determined it was made in the 13th or 14th century.

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Sat, 11-21-2009 - 7:05am

That, she said, proves the text could not be of medieval origin because no Christian at the time, even a forger, would have mentioned Jesus without referring to his divinity. Failing to do so would risk being branded a heretic


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Sat, 11-21-2009 - 10:35am

>>Riiiiiiiiiiight. Because there were NO scammers in the middle ages. And no good, faithful, non-heretical Christians creating 'relics' to essentially create medieval tourism and to raise money for cathedrals and churches or for their own pockets. No one would claim to have a sliver of the real cross that wasn't real, or say that these bones are those of saints if they weren't. Oh wait....>>>

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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 7:08am

So this historian's opinion trumps carbon dating....why?

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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 7:09am

LOL!

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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 10:58am

I think this woman is reaching just a wee bit. Since when did the Romans wrap up their crucified in nice tidy packages, complete with inked death certificates (in 3 languages, no less), to send back to the grieving families?

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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 11:00am
"No one would claim to have a sliver of the real cross that wasn't real, or say that these bones are those of saints if they weren't. Oh wait...."
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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 11:11am

Never.




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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 11:37am
Well, IMO, there's never a shortage of efforts to ignore scientific data in favor of pushing a religious agenda...on occasion. ;)



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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 12:40pm

"Never."

Exactly. Part of the punishment was denial of proper burial.

"Joseph of Arimathea might have done, but why would he have written it in several languages?"

And one of those being *Latin*, no less. Seems to me, barring better evidence, that the "words" on the shroud are as likely to be authentic as the "coins" on the eye impressions were.

DD