Film: "8: The Mormon Proposition"

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"he Mormon role behind Proposition 8
By ANKITA RAO RELIGION NEWS SERVICE
June 17, 2010, 5:54PM
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David Daniels : Religion News Service

Is it a love letter from liberal Mormons to their church, or a Michael Moore-style hit piece on Mormon leaders?

The film 8: The Mormon Proposition, explores the role of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in repealing same-sex marriage in California nearly two years ago. After debuting at last winter's Sundance Film Festival, the film opens in 15 cities nationwide today.

Director Reed Cowan had originally set out to document homeless and suicidal Mormon teens when another topic caught his attention.

In 2008, about six months after California's Supreme Court had struck down a ban on gay marriage, voters approved Proposition 8, a referendum that restricts marriage to heterosexual couples.

The LDS church's support for the referendum went all but unnoticed — for a time - until Mormons' significant deployment of moral and financial capital was discovered. Earlier this month, the LDS church agreed to pay a $5,500 fine for not reporting all of its nonmonetary contributions in support of Prop. 8.

In the documentary, gay Mormon couples, families and ex-church members chronicle the church's campaign behind Proposition 8."

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Mon, 06-21-2010 - 10:47pm

Personally, I'd like to see any church so insidiously involved in politics both lose their tax-exempt status, and face charges for breaking the tax laws.

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Tue, 06-22-2010 - 8:24pm
Hear, hear. ...I think? My church (Unitarian Universalist) campaigns pretty strongly FOR equal rights for the LGBTQ community...



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Fri, 06-25-2010 - 2:02pm
I agree. When a religion is allowed to trump the laws to protect all citizens from the loss of their civil rights, it becomes an attempt at establishing a theocracy. *NOT* what our gov't is supposed to be, not at all. :o/ The insidiousness of this, is that several different "branches" or sects of the broad category of religion called "Christianity" came together here in CA, to subvert our secular gov't to their views, in denial of civil rights to some citizens in the name of religion.


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Fri, 06-25-2010 - 2:12pm
I see your quandary. But I don't see the UU's activism as seeking to push their religion down everyone's throats and force them to live according to the tenets of one particular religion's views. I see the UU as supporting civil rights for *all* people in this. It's not about religion, IMO, with the UU. Definitely NOT the same thing as trying to actually *deny* civil rights to *some* citizens...by inserting religious tenets/doctrine into gov't. That many people voted for this evil proposition is scary. They didn't/don't apparently realize, that by denying to others the very same freedoms they enjoy is actually subverting and weakening our gov't ability and focus to protect *all* citizens from loss of freedoms. :o/


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Sat, 06-26-2010 - 9:34am

I agree, personally - I see a vast difference between wanting all to have equal rights and wanting to deny some people certain rights because of religious misunderstandings, but I worry that from my own perspective I'm not able to see my own hypocrisy?

My church, for example, did not endorse any particular candidates (and never has, that I know of), and has never declared a position on any specific legislation, but encourages political activities which are forward to equality for all - without specifically directing its members. It might be a fine line!




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"I am a wizard, not a saint."
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Sat, 06-26-2010 - 12:08pm
Yes, it definitely appears to be a very fine line. And the IRS is the one who gets to decide if a church has crossed it... I think, though, that the values of the church/religious branch, the doctrine or dogma or philosophy is what "dictated" the awful interference here in CA by some churches and church leaders. Yet I don't think the IRS slapped any hands in that debacle, as I recall. Perhaps they should have, I dunno. :O Perhaps promoting belief principles, no matter how discriminatory they may be to some people, who may not subscribe to a particular religion or sect of religion, isn't the same as promoting a candidate or a party as far as the law is concerned?


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Sat, 06-26-2010 - 9:44pm

Well, I think the law prevents a church from endorsing a particular candidate, but not from endorsing a particular position.

To me, however, the issue is less about the LDS (though I find the position they took, and the work they did to deny people a basic right completely odious), and more about laws that allow a group or a couple of groups (let's not forget that the RCC also played a big and influential role in this) to vote on civil rights.

These rights exist before the law - they are inherent. They are not, unfortunately, always recognized. But the idea that any group of people could vote and thereby deny another group of people basic human rights... that's completely abhorrent.

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Tue, 06-29-2010 - 3:14pm

I really think it is hard to distinguish between the two viewpoints. I can only assume that those who oppose same-sex marriage really do believe that it is bad for society. My UU congregation was consumed with Prop 8 campaign. People were recruited during coffee hour to staff phone banks and attend marches. Out in front we have a large sign supporting the freedom to marry. If anything we are more politically out there on this issue than the LDS church, although they certainly had the financial advantage. I have not noticed any anti-marriage signs in front of any of the local meeting houses.

I do understand, the point you are making Gypsy, but if I try to take a step back and look at it objectively, I think the two churches are in the same situation. Perhaps both should lose their tax exempt status.

Maybe, though, it is the lack of signs in front of LDS meeting houses that is the problem. The UU church is very upfront about their position and support. We proclaim it boldly. When a church supports something behind the scenes and then gets indignant when called on it, as seems to be the reaction of the LDS church to this documentary, it calls into question their motives regardless of the legal issues. If you really think same-sex marriage would destroy the fabric of civilization, you should be able to own your bigotry.

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Tue, 06-29-2010 - 3:17pm

Agreed! That this should never have been up for vote by the people of California is the underlying issue, regardless of which groups, religious or not, stood on which side of theissue.

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Thu, 07-01-2010 - 10:32am

Well, I *did* say "insidiously" - as in, stealthily, hidden, and harmful.

However, to your point about churches being politically active for various causes: I think there is a very large difference between a church campaigning for causes that have a basis in religion and law, and churches campaigning for causes that have a basis solely in religion and may actually conflict with established law. I don't think I worded that very clearly, but here's an example of what I mean.

If Muslims campaigned for the right to interrupt their work day and pray when it's required of them, there is a basis for that request in both their religion and law. Equality is mandated for all citizens. If, however, they decided to campaign for *everyone* to have to interrupt their work day for a practice mandated by their religion, that conflicts with the laws regarding both equality and state establishment of religion.

Hm. Reading back over that, I see it's still muddled, but in my mid-exam state, it's the best I can do. lol

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