Game with God

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Mon, 07-19-2004 - 2:46pm
I found an article about how religion is treated in computer games:

http://www.gamerdad.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=903&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

I thought the games in which the player has to "play God" were particularly interesting.

Comments???


Edited 7/19/2004 4:09 pm ET ET by pete1854

Pete

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Mon, 07-19-2004 - 3:56pm

I'd like the link!!

~christine~

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Mon, 07-19-2004 - 4:11pm
I just edited the OP to include the direct link.

I'm a lazy browser - I never like it when you have to scroll right to left, and I thought posting the long link would do that.

Anyway, it's there now...

Pete

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Mon, 07-19-2004 - 8:31pm
Hard core gamer here, lol.

I play Diablo. I have played Dark Age of Camelot (based on...the Dark Ages--sort of--). Morrowind. Baldur's Gate. These are RPG's. Then there is Black and White, where you actually play as God. Fun stuff.

Diablo is your very basic Hero vs. Evil game. The religiousness is mostly in the imagery (given away by the title, lol). This is a hack and slash, kill all the bad guys and take their stuff kind of game. In the original game, you have to defeat Diablo (one of three demonic brothers) to save the world, and specifically a town, where the weakness of one man let the evil in. In the expansion, Diablo is back and brought his big brother's...Mephisto and Baal. (not a coherent mythology, lol) Apparently the hero in the first game, after defeating Diablo, trapped his soul in a stone. It drove him insane, and a dark stranger came and relieved him of it, thus bringing Diablo back. Very fun, fast paced game. You do quests to help the good guys (retrieving stolen items, killing bad guys who are terrorizing a town, freeing prisoners). There is a back story for every class, and there are Paladins who call on the power of God to defeat evil.

Dark Age of Camelot is a massive multiplayer online RPG. Totally addictive, lol. Premise is that Britain, Ireland and the Vikings are at war. You pick a realm to fight for, then pick a type of character to develop. Britain (Albion has the most Christian of influences. A well established church, and there are three possible characters to play associated with the Church. Clerics, Monks, and a paladin type. Clerics minister to the sick (ie, they are healers) as are monks. But Clerics can also call down the wrath of God quite effectively. Monks...think Friar Tuck...complete with big stick. Paladins are modeled after the Knights Templar and are the Defenders of the Faith. The quests these characters get all are for God and Country. The Church in Camlelot is magnificent!

Midgard, the Viking land is pagan. You align with a particula God/dess who grants you skills that they rule over. So in some ways, all these characters are religious. The Shaman (should be named Gothi, but oh well) is a healer-type, but also works to rally the tribe, and works magic that is not overpowering, but rather softens up the foes. All quests are in service to your chosen God/dess, usually recovering lost artifacts, etc.

Hybernia is Ireland, and is full of Elves and strong magic. Not much religion here, the Hybernians draw their power from Nature (as it should be). Quests are in service of the Land. Now, all realms have fighters, healers and magic users, but each realm is unique in focus and purpose.

When you get bored within your realm, you can go fight the Heathens, lol. Roaming bands from enemy realms frequent a special part of the landscape where they can interact (ie, fight). There are Castles to take, and each realm has artifacts of power (Albion, of course has Excalibur, and the Holy Grail) that grant their realm extra bonuses. The goal is, of course, to take these artifacts from heavily defended castles. When that gets boring you can venture into Darkness Falls, a creepy place with demons to slay. They all of course, have loot, which you get to keep as reward for making the place safer (for a few minutes anyway, lol). Good fun, but very time consuming.

Black and White is interesting. RPG for god-wanna be's. You create your god, then you may play as a good god, or an evil god. Building your following.

Morrowind is D&D based...loosely. Interesting story line. You are the Incarnation of a God, and have to work towards realizing that. This is a very open ended game. You can play the straight and narrow, or you can play as an evil SOB and take what you like (provided you can overcome the opposition, lol). There are two religions here. One is the Imperial Cult, which is modeled after Rome (loosely) with 7 God/desses that you can work for, and the Tribunal Temple (with three, who turn out not to be gods, but humans who gained enough power to become gods). The two religions don't LIKE each other at all. The Temple is the native religion, the IMperial Cult an import from the mainland. Nuff said. Eventually, either by playing it straight or playing it crooked, you are named the Nevarine (reincarnation of one of the native gods) and must defeat one of the other native gods who has gone a little power hungry/insane and is blighting the whole land with disease and ash storms (echos of Mordor, anyone?) Very involved game. Slow paced. But again, you can play as a fighter, wizard type, ranger type, stealthy type, or a diplomat. There are factions to join (three Houses and any number of trade Guilds, the Legion, the religions, etc) in order to progress thru the game. You even get your own estate!!!

Hmmm. questions???

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Mon, 07-19-2004 - 9:20pm

LOL...your game collection reads like my dh's! Are you going to get Fable when it comes out? He's chomping at the bit for that one to be released, and was greatly disappointed to find the release date got pushed back.


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Tue, 07-20-2004 - 12:10pm
V...

Just wanted you to know that I am thinking about your question.

And yes, I am eager for Fable, as well as World of Warcraft (Blizzard title).

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Tue, 07-20-2004 - 12:32pm
>>Black and White is interesting. RPG for god-wanna be's. You create your god, then you may play as a good god, or an evil god. Building your following.<<

See, I don't have much to add to this thread beyond the OP - I've managed to avoid catching the gaming bug this far, and by the powers of Effective Time Management, I will do so in the future!

However, Black and White struck me as the most interesting one of the lot in the article. Looking at faith from the believee's point of view would seem to open up whole new worlds of understanding.

Pete

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Tue, 07-20-2004 - 12:49pm
RE: B&W LOL, Being God is HARD. People are a pain in the arse, lol. Damn free will!!! They never do what you tell them to, and always have their hands out for blessings and goodwill. Hmmmph. =)

I think I will go and play that again. It's been a while.

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Tue, 07-20-2004 - 1:15pm
Now, if they could just cram "republican" in with computer games and religion, then this would be my true nemesis. ;) Thank god Ben only has one of the three going on, or I simply could not love him! ;)

Sheryl

Edited to Add: Ack! I just thanked god! Ack! Ack! Furry, Pete, get 'im off me!


Edited 7/20/2004 1:17 pm ET ET by 8_18

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Tue, 07-20-2004 - 1:17pm
DH is the hardcore gamer in my house. He has played all the games you mentioned except Dark Age of Camelot. Though we do have a good friend who has spent way too much time playing that one. He also played Knights of the Old Republic, which worked similar to Morrowind in that how "morally" you played the game impacted the outcome. Since it takes place in the Star Wars universe the religion is the Force, and you become either a Jedi or a Sith.

Besides the Baldur's Gate that was on the PS2, the only one you mentioned that I have played is Black and White. Unfortunately we had it early on before the patch, that fixed the bug that caused the game to crash on one of the levels. Once DH got to the crash point, I just stop playing too. I too have been thinking about going back to it. It is hard, but interesting and different than the usual fare. I do recommend it, Pete, and you should be able to pick it up for pretty cheap.

I've also played the Sierra games: Zeus/Poseidon, Pharaoh/Cleopatra, and Emperor(takes place in China). In these games you direct the people towards goals following the rise of each of the respective civlizations. There is a religious element, but it amounts to simply buliding enough temples and holding enough festivals so the respective Gods will help you, and not destroy your city. Pretty fun, though.

Anne

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Tue, 07-20-2004 - 1:57pm
>>Ack! I just thanked god! Ack! Ack! Furry, Pete, get 'im off me! <<

Yeah, but since you didn't capitalize it you only get *one* demerit...

Pete

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