Kennedy: I'm Banned From Communion

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Kennedy: I'm Banned From Communion
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Sun, 11-22-2009 - 9:43am

Rep Patrick Kennedy has claimed the RI diocese of the RCC has banned him receiving communion. He claims it is over his support of abortion rights. The Bishop in this case is only on record telling him he shouldn't take it. (Which I understand, same as with LDS, you should be in good standing before partaking of sacrament. It is better to not take when not in good standing than to partake.)

http://news.aol.com/article/patrick-kennedy-denied-communion-from/765365

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Sun, 11-22-2009 - 12:02pm
I was coming to post the link this morning, also. ;)) It's a tough road to hoe, mixing religion & politics in a country that is not under a totalitarian religious gov't. <:-|| I do agree that if one is working for the gov't, and *all* citizens, than one should not be seeking to run the gov't according to one's own religion's dictates. Separation of church & state. In spiritual matters, though, I also think one may be forced to make a choice between doing one's duty as a gov't representative, and one's religion's representatives dictating their expectations of you and how you should vote and do your secular job. Our gov't is not, like the Dark Ages and Middle ages, locked in and ruled by the Vatican and the Catholic Church. Nor is it ruled by any other Christian denomination or any other religion. And should *NOT* be. When one's religious leaders are pressuring you to dishonor your secular responsibilities as a gov't representative, what do you do? <:=O


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Sun, 11-22-2009 - 6:15pm

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If they want to play politics, take away their tax-exempt status!

BTW, does the RCC recommend that those that are against Universal Health Care, or support wars, or are for the death penalty not receive communion?

Edited 11/22/2009 6:18 pm ET by the_navigator84




Edited 11/22/2009 6:20 pm ET by the_navigator84
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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 7:07am

Starie, I'm not sure if you'll know the answer to this, but I have a question:

Why do you have to be in good standing to partake? When Jesus said 'Take, eat, this is my body that is broken for you', where in there does it say 'but only if you've been good'?

Anyone else, please chime in if you know.

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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 7:47am

From Catholic.com:



To receive Communion worthily, you must be in a state of grace, have made a good confession since your last mortal sin, believe in transubstantiation, observe the Eucharistic fast, and, finally, not be under an ecclesiastical censure such as excommunication.


I believe that the position is being taken that a pro-choice stance when in a position to outlaw abortion is a mortal sin.


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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 9:46am

This all raises an interesting question in my mind.




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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 11:11am

"where in there does it say 'but only if you've been good'?"

It doesn't, that I've ever seen. That's a control measure instituted by various churches, IMO, and has more to do with your obedience to said church than your obedience to god.

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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 12:22pm

That is a very good point. And to my mind, there should be no conflict between following your religious beliefs on a personal basis and legislating to allow others the choice to do the same. Otherwise, all that "do unto others" stuff is entirely hollow.

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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 1:02pm

I believe that the position is being taken that a pro-choice stance when in a position to outlaw abortion is a mortal sin.>

Ah ok. Well since the whole mortal/venial sin thing isn't in the Bible (AFAIK), I guess it's not surprising that they've added a Communion rule that isn't there either.

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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 1:04pm

What was it that Kennedy said? How have we come so far from 'I'm a Catholic but the Pope won't tell me how to run the country' to 'do what the Bishop says or you can't have communion'?

And if you're put in that position, which set of loyalties should you follow?

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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 1:31pm

***'And to my mind, there should be no conflict between following your religious beliefs on a personal basis and legislating to allow others the choice to do the same. Otherwise, all that "do unto others" stuff is entirely hollow. "***

ITA! Excellent point. Otherwise, IMO, when attempting to legislate one's religious views, one is attempting to create a theocracy of the gov't. And church leaders are trying to do the same by blackmailing legislators as to using their private religious beliefs to take over the gov't.



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"All things share the same breath;

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then when I die I want to go where they went."

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"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress

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Edited 11/24/2009 1:32 pm ET by gypsywolfwoman


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