Mormon leader: religious freedom at risk

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Fri, 10-16-2009 - 11:44am

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iCrSWSM6V3N-yi3tAJOBlnjwR27wD9BAGSB01

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"Mormon leader: religious freedom at risk
By ERIC GORSKI (AP) – 2 days ago

The anti-Mormon backlash after California voters overturned gay marriage last fall is similar to the intimidation of Southern blacks during the civil rights movement, a high-ranking Mormon said Tuesday.

Elder Dallin H. Oaks referred to gay marriage as an "alleged civil right" in an address at Brigham Young University-Idaho that church officials described as a significant commentary on current threats to religious freedom.

Oaks suggested that atheists and others are seeking to intimidate people of faith and silence their voices in the public square, according to his prepared remarks.

"The extent and nature of religious devotion in this nation is changing," said Oaks, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, a church governing body. "The tide of public opinion in favor of religion is receding, and this probably portends public pressures for laws that will impinge on religious freedom."

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Fri, 10-16-2009 - 4:00pm

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Fri, 10-16-2009 - 4:41pm

The anti prop 8 crowd acted like a toddler who has a tantrum when they don't get their way. Their actions were simply intimidation so people will vote with them next time or not vote at all. That's where the comparison comes in.


An legal election was held and people didn't accept the results.


What part of the constitution says marriage is a civil right. For the record, I'm okay with extending civil union benefits.


Like most liberals, free speech is only allowed when you agree with them.

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Fri, 10-16-2009 - 7:35pm

IMO, Elder Oaks is off the mark. If he really believes the civil rights movement is comparable to the backlash directed at the LDS church I am at a loss on how to respond to that.

Both GLBT and LDS (over time) had damage to property, lost friends and family, been killed, etc.

People who protest the loss of Prop 8 were exercising their rights to show their displeasure. Where there people who took it too far? Yes. And I do not support that behavior. And to make it seem like all of the protests where like it is dishonest.

I fail to see how the church being a target of protests is in any way the same as people being killed, tortured, not allowed to equal access to facilities and schools, and stores simply because they weren't white.

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Fri, 10-16-2009 - 7:38pm

Alrighty then. Can cite proof that this is all prep for the next go round? I can understand why people were upset. They had a right to marry. They had it, it existed. Then overnight it was gone.

>>Like most liberals, free speech is only allowed when you agree with them.>>
I could say the same thing about conservatives.

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Fri, 10-16-2009 - 8:24pm

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Fri, 10-16-2009 - 8:48pm

I am aware of his background, makes it all the more shocking.

These two issues are completely separate. IMO, the church had ZERO business getting involved with it to the degree it did, it is the churches own fault for the attention it received.

In the civil rights movement era people were denied access to polling places. How many people voting for Prop 8 were denied access to polling? How many people were threatened with violence if they voted for it? Compare that to the numbers of people in the 60's who were.

Again this community was understandably upset. Some may have reacted badly, but most didn't. To state the protests that happened to telling voters that they better stay home or vote their way is crazy.

The church should leave well enough alone and stop picking at the scab.

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Sat, 10-17-2009 - 1:53am

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Huh!?!?!

People catching grief for encouraging the STRIPPING of civil rights of others is similar to the intimidation of people SEEKING civil rights? What kind of bizarro logic is that?

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It wasn't "alleged". It was an existing civil right at the time. But, I guess with bizarro logic, one can twist words...

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Although many atheists happen to support Gay Marriage, there are many, many other people of faith who also support Gay Marriage. So why is this Oaks character singling out atheists and putting us in a bad light by making false claims that sound like we all are seeking to intimidate people of faith? Especially when we agree with many people of faith?

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Sat, 10-17-2009 - 3:19am

George Orwell would be proud. This is possibly the finest example of Doublespeak I've ever seen outside of his novel.

Just mind boggling.

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Sat, 10-17-2009 - 3:21am
Which part of the constitution says that denying rights to others is an essential part of religious freedom?

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Sat, 10-17-2009 - 9:31am

I prefer having this nonsense out in public, so people can see for themselves how ridiculous the claims are. It's particularly obnoxious and hypocritical that a church which leans hard on its early "persecution" and lack of rights is vociferously demanding the right to do the same to another group under the guise of religious freedom.

Go on, Elder Oaks, feel free to keep taking that rope.

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