No crucifixes in Italian public schools

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Tue, 11-03-2009 - 9:28pm

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j7ePwV7h1sb1YI9XU_nt7Ui3m_iAD9BO3LR01

from the article:

"European court: No crucifixes in Italian schools

(AP) – 12 hours ago

STRASBOURG, France — Europe's court of human rights ruled Tuesday the display of crucifixes in Italian public schools violates religious and education freedoms under the continent's rights convention.

The ruling, which could force a Europe-wide review of the use of religious symbols in government-run schools, rejected arguments by Italy's government that the crucifix was a national symbol of culture, history and identity, tolerance and secularism.

A seven-judge panel sided with a complaint filed by Soile Lautsi, a parent of two children, who claimed public schools in her northern Italian town eight years ago refused to remove the Roman Catholic symbols from classrooms.

The ruling awarded euro5,000 ($7,390) in damages to Lautsi, which the Italian government will pay her. The court, however, did not order Italian authorities to remove the crucifixes and the ruling can still be appealed to the European Court of Human Rights' Grand Chamber of 17 judges.

Lautsi says the crucifix violates the secular principles the public schools are supposed to uphold and the right to offer her children a secular education. Crucifixes are very common in Italian public schools.

"The presence of the crucifix ... could easily be interpreted by pupils of all ages as a religious sign and they would feel that they were being educated in a school environment bearing the stamp of a given religion," the court said in a statement on the case, adding the presence of such symbols could be "disturbing for pupils who practiced other religions or were atheists."

The court added that secular, state-run schools must "observe confessional neutrality in the context of public education," where attendance is compulsory."

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Wed, 11-04-2009 - 5:13am
In what dimension is a crucifix a sign of secularism?

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Wed, 11-04-2009 - 8:10am

"The ruling, which could force a Europe-wide review of the use of religious symbols in government-run schools, rejected arguments by Italy's government that the crucifix was a national symbol of culture, history and identity, tolerance and secularism."

I'd reject that ridiculous argument, too. The Inquisition was active in Italy until the 1800's, hardly aligning a crucifix, historically, with either tolerance or secularism. lol

And, by the way, go Europe! :-D

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Wed, 11-04-2009 - 8:16am

Hooray!


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Wed, 11-04-2009 - 11:40am
A crucifix a sign of secularism??? HA! None that I know of... <:D


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Wed, 11-04-2009 - 11:42am
I agree -- and I say, "Go, Europe!" too! :)


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Wed, 11-04-2009 - 11:46am

Well, I certainly *hope* they are talking about the *walls,* ROFL! <:P I say it's about dang *time.* It's 2009 already, but some things that have just gone on & on & on for centuries, are often just not really even "seen" let alone thought about. You know, just a part of the background, not even noticed any more? Like when most of our public schools pushed one religion and allowed it, before that discriminatory practice was finally seen for what it is. Awareness and then action comes slowly with stuff like this...



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"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress

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~~Mahatma Gandhi







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