Opt out parishioners oppose women...

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Mon, 12-29-2008 - 10:37pm

First gay folk, now women? OK, this is gettin' silly. I think it is time for a nice separation, not a compromise.


Church of England proposes compromise to avoid acrimonious split


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/optout-for-parishioners-opposed-to-women-bishops-1216240.html


The Church of England last night tried to avoid a split by watering down its plans for the consecration of women bishops, granting an opt-out to parishioners who refuse to accept the spiritual authority of female clergy.


Under the church's proposals, parishes could bypass women bishops and women priests by taking their leadership from specially consecrated male "complementary" bishops.


Parents could elect to have their children confirmed and baptised by male clergy while congregations could seek to have sacraments and other divine service removed from the responsibility of a female bishop.


The ungainly get-out clause, drawn up in response to the Synod's historic vote in July in favour of consecrating women bishops, is set to provoke dee-per divisions within the church.


The outcome of the July vote raised the real possibility of schism within the church, between those in favour of women bishops and an alliance of traditionalists, Anglo-Catholics and evangelicals who oppose the idea.


A drafting committee member resigned and hundreds of traditionalist clergy threatened to leave the Anglican Communion if the church went ahead with the consecration of women bishops without providing legal safeguards to protect their beliefs.


The revised plans – published yesterday by a committee chaired by the Bishop of Manchester, the Right Rev Nigel McCulloch – accommodate traditionalists at the cost of provoking the church's more liberal wing. The Synod will consider the plans in February.


The report stated: "We know that there are those who believe that anything short of structural provision for those unable in conscience to accept the ordained ministry of women as priests and bishops will be insufficient.


"We are also well aware that, from another point of view, the introduction of any arrangements, structural or otherwise, which mean that women may not be able to minister as bishops or priests within certain parishes, will be seen as unacceptable because it perpetuates a difference of treatment on grounds of gender.


"There is, therefore, a need for an approach which attempts to square this difficult circle. It is not, in fact, unique to have a situation in law where there is not complete equality of opportunity for both sexes. The exercise of women's priestly and episcopal ministry in certain places can properly be restricted by law, but this should only be to an extent that is 'proportionate' in order to respect the theological convictions of others."


The Bishop of Manchester's report also places a requirement on theological opponents to female bishops to accept that their ordination in the Church of England is legally binding.


The authority exercised by a "complementary bishop" would be conferred by the diocesan bishop who may be a woman. This could lead to further objections on the grounds that the ultimate source of the priest's authority derives from a woman. Critics said the proposal was a fudge.


Dr McCulloch said the committee finished its discussions just before Christmas and the report had been published quickly to allow for debate. "The General Synod mandated us to draft a measure including special arrangements, within existing structures, for those unable to receive the ministry of women bishops and to do that in a national code of practice. We believe we have achieved that. "

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Tue, 12-30-2008 - 12:02am

Time for a split.

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Tue, 12-30-2008 - 7:01am

I don't get the wavering at all, on either issue, but on women it just goes so far over the top as to be ludicrous. Downplay women as bishop for what purpose?


Some things point toward women being more inclined to delve into things spiritual, and it makes no sense to me that if women are inclined to pursue ministry that


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Tue, 12-30-2008 - 11:23am

I don't know what it is like to grow up in a theology and then have issues with it.

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Tue, 12-30-2008 - 4:09pm

STUPID, STUPID, STUPID move.

The bigots need to be told to suck it up, and leave the church if they don't like the fact that they're going to need to give up their bigotry. That simple. These "compromises" are like pulling a bandaid off very slowly - not going to help; just prolonging the pain.

It's never wrong to do the right thing. And there's no question here what the right thing is. This namby-pamby stuff causes a world of grief.

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Tue, 12-30-2008 - 5:32pm

I get really antsy about the slights to women via some of organised religion. Toss in I get exceedingly annoyed with the view of gay folk, and well...


sometimes I think the major religions of this world have lost their way.

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Tue, 12-30-2008 - 8:36pm

Well, the good news is that what we're seeing with the article you posted are the last gasps of a dying breed.

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Tue, 12-30-2008 - 10:35pm

There is a lot of that, astute analysis by the way... and there is insecurity born of cultures that encourage young men it is unmanly to accept direction by women (that always cracks me up... I cannot believe how some try and ignore how they got here to begin with. I've ranted on the whole Eve and Adam's rib thing before.)


There are obvious flaws in their reasoning, that being the presumptions they make on gender roles and on the ability of women, and there is also the matter of excluding half the population. If your goal is to have the best and


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