Vatican moves to quell "alternatives"

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Vatican moves to quell "alternatives"
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Thu, 06-17-2004 - 10:51am
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040616-010338-2257r.htm

Here is a link to an article about the Vaticans plans to "quell" alternative religions.

Here is a quote from the article that I find a little scary . . .

"Monsignor Peter Fleetwood, one of the authors of the report, said the greatest challenge may be in England and North America "where the New Age began ... and where it has become such a part of everyday life that we don't notice it." That makes it harder to attack, he says: "Where one sees a threat, it's easier to battle it."

It seems to me that the church has just finished apologising for the inquisition, but now their leaders are using language that echoes inquisitorial sentiments. Words like "attack" and "battle" don't exactly give me the warm fuzzies when it comes from an organization who has literally attacked and battled "heretics" in the past.

If they spoke instead of "responding" to the New Age, instead of attack, I wouldn't find this scary. If they instead talked about how they could retain their members instead of going to "battle" with alternative spiritual paths, this article wouldn't spook me. Also what exactly is the "threat" ? Have the New Agers threatened to "attack" and "battle" the Vatican ? Why can't Monsignor Peter Fleetwood accept the fact that some adults are going to choose a different spiritual path than Catholicism ? Why does he see it as a "threat" to be "attacked" and "battled" ?

Ok, now for the multiple disclaimers. I know most that Monsignor Fleetwood does not represent all Catholics. I know he has the right to say what he said. etc., ;)

JM2C.

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Thu, 06-17-2004 - 11:09am
depending on your pov thats either great news (as in hooray the whole world is going to be converted when theses other religions are quelled) or quite frightening (as in oh my gosh? MOre crusades?!)

Or maybe its just one opinion of one church official. I find it scary, you know since us mormons aren't christian *wink*

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Thu, 06-17-2004 - 11:15am
"Or maybe its just one opinion of one church official. I find it scary, you know since us mormons aren't christian *wink*

Guess you didn't see my disclaimer, that this one church official doesnt' represent ALL catholics ;)

But it is scary, because I these church officials are meeting behind closed doors to come up with a "battle" plan to "attack" alternative religions that they feel are a "threat" to the RCC. I hope they are using these words metaphorically and not literally.

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Thu, 06-17-2004 - 11:18am
nope - I just made my own disclaimer LOL I saw yours.

ANd I agree. I hope its metaphorically. The last thing we need is more bloodshed in the name of God. I'm sure that makes him just SO happy when we do that.....

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Thu, 06-17-2004 - 11:24am
"The last thing we need is more bloodshed in the name of God. "

Or another Satanic Panic like we had in the 80's. No bloodshed, but a lot of wrongful imprisonment. And, one of the victims of Satanic Panic was a Catholic family ! (No, I probobly can't provide a link, this is from a magazine news show I was on TV many years ago)

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Thu, 06-17-2004 - 11:27am
OK I was a kid during most of the 80's ...explain the history in this?
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Thu, 06-17-2004 - 11:49am
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sra.htm

Here's a link to get you started.

You could also search under "False Memory Syndrome"

Alot of this Satanic Panic was fueled by pseudo-pschyciatry, false memories of abuse were implanted in the minds of young children. They came up with very bizarre and fantastic claims that any reasonable person would know could not be true. (stories of being helicoptered to far away places, stories of watching babies being sacraficed, stories of elaborate underground tunnel systems where they were transported to Satanic temples. ) Of course, no one ever found the bodies of these murdered babies, no human blood found where these sacrafices took place, no underground tunnel systems were ever found, and yet, innocent people were convicted and jailed on these fantastic stories. There is one sad case where a girl was taken from her parents who were wrongly accused by a mentally ill woman of sexually abusing their child. The girl is now grown, and is fighting to restore her parents reputation. She says she NEVER told her kindergarten assistant teacher that her parents sexually abused her, but the ass't teacher told the authorities that she did, and as a result the parents ended up in jail, just on this one woman's false accusation. I'm not sure if the parents are still in jail, but the child abuse charges are still on record, and their grown daughter, who is stepping forward and saying that she was NEVER abused by her parents is having difficulty clearing their name. It's a very, very, sad story.

The major villans in this ugly, ugly, chapter seem to be, psuedo-pschyciatrists, social workers who insisted that we must ALWAYS "Believe the children" no matter how fantastic the claim, and how little evidence to back up these outrageous claims, talk show hosts, (Geraldo publicly apologises for one of his shows that gave credende to these false charges) some mentally ill pshycopathic liars, and ordinary people who would get angry at their child care providers, and falsley accuse them of Satanic abuse, knowing that in that current climate, they would be most likely charged and convicted with no physical evidence.

Not only were those who were charged with these non-exsistant crime victimized, but I consider the young children whose minds were manipulated into believing such things were vicitmized to. I have come across a few stories about such children, now grown, coming forward to say that these memories were falsley implanted, and they now know they aren't true. They feel HORRIBLE that they were used to imprison innocent people. There are even support groups for victims of "False Memory Syndrome".

Sorry, this post is getting very long. Probobly more info than you wanted.

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Thu, 06-17-2004 - 11:51am
I remember. wasn't there the big case up north where some of the people who were found guilty were released this year?
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Thu, 06-17-2004 - 11:52am
Just what we REALLY need right now, a revival of the Inquisition!

>>>>If they instead talked about how they could retain their members instead of going to "battle" with alternative spiritual paths, this article wouldn't spook me. Also what exactly is the "threat" ?<<<<<

I have to agree. Why can't they get it through their heads that there is no threat and can never BE any threat? Do we believe the promise of Our Lord that "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it " or not?

Alisha


Edited 6/17/2004 11:54 am ET ET by ivallyn38

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Thu, 06-17-2004 - 12:09pm
Bloodshed? LOL! How's *that* suppossed to happen? We'd need some secular government to cooperate in this latest version of the Inquistion (which is exactly how it worked before, BTW) and I don't think anybody's going to volunteer to go to war so we can stop losing members to Shirley McClaine, Deeprak Chopra, and their ilk!

Alisha




Edited 6/17/2004 12:11 pm ET ET by ivallyn38

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Thu, 06-17-2004 - 12:17pm
It doesn't have to be an inquisition. Maybe the "battle" verbage is to inspire a sense of urgency.

What does Catholicism teach about the assurance of salvation? Aren't the souls of the faithful at stake?

While Satan can not prevail against "the church", (he will not win the war) does that mean there is no battle in this world?

How does Ephesians 6:12 fit into this?

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Just some questions to try to understand the Catholic postition on "spiritual warfare". I know that within the Protestant community there are differing opinons.

Mary

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