Who was the historical Jesus?

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Mon, 04-13-2009 - 4:39am

This was virtually the first thing she said:


"You must remember that the concept of God was, and perhaps still is, a radical social idea. Rather than being beholden to an oligarchy, an individual can now answer to a deity. It created the possibility of an egalitarian society."


Um...WHAT? Humans have had gods as long as they've had societies!


Sort of lost respect for what she was saying after that.


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Mon, 04-13-2009 - 8:09am
I took that to mean a singular God. Do you think she means it as any framework of gods?


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Mon, 04-13-2009 - 8:31am

I didn't understand what she meant by that at all (but didn't let it deter me from going on to see what else she had to say).


Zoroaster certainly seemed to teach that Ahura Mazda was a singular God, and Zoroastrians were not unknown on another continent or anything ;)


While I agree that Jesus in the biblical stories does not fulfill the messianic prophecies, and is from a small town, and was not a




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Mon, 04-13-2009 - 8:59am

One element I was really interested in was this alleged connection of singular deity to the evolution of


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Mon, 04-13-2009 - 10:15am
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Mon, 04-13-2009 - 10:57am

Oh, bah.


I was counting New Jersey a bit early ;)


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Mon, 04-13-2009 - 12:11pm

i think it's far too simplistic of a view; but then, the rest of her arguments (as laid out in the article, anyway), are also simplistic in the extreme.

it's difficult to even know where to begin to address the assertion without knowing what sort of equality she meant. gender equality, which certainly did not wait for a monotheistic religion to develop (and is not unilaterally present in monotheistic religions today)? socio-economic equality? ethnic equality?

from the context, i would guess that she is speaking of spiritual equality, from within the fairly narrow confines of religions which equated leaders with gods, and reserved the afterlife (and therefore consorting with deities) for the elite. however, even at that the idea of monotheism spearheading spiritual equality would be wrong, as osiris granted this sort of equality long before the time of akhenaten, or the very earliest accepted dating of either zoroaster or abraham.

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Mon, 04-13-2009 - 1:07pm

I was thinking on this after I wrote it.. and will add the caveat that in no way, shape, or form do I wish to portray this as any sort of enlightened opinion, because I know so little about the overall anthropological history of religion/spirituality.


What flowed through my mind in the pondering was whether she was trying to assert that a singular deity strips away gods of different groups, etc, ie gods who play to inherent inequality, while a one size fits all god sort of mitigates this...


but then there are inherent inequalities *now* with a singular god, it is evident virtually everywhere in organised religion, from gender (I include same


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Mon, 04-13-2009 - 4:37pm

<I took that to mean a singular God. Do you think she means it as any framework of gods? >


Even if that is what she meant (and you may well be right), she's still trying to sell it as if Jesus came along and said 'hey, there's only one God'! As if the Jews hadn't believed that for a few thousand years previously.


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Mon, 04-13-2009 - 6:09pm
I took it the way you did - monotheism.

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