"I agree that it skewed the conversation when ballet came was mentioned"
What do you mean you agree? I didn't say ANYTHING about ballet skewing the conversation. I said the conversation was skewed because you were comparing minors to adults. We are either comparing minors to minors, or adults to adults. Anything else would be disingenous.
As to you being wary of objectification wherever it may be... that may very well be true. But you have stated over and over again that almost the entire point of cheerleading is objectification. That you have a problem with cheerleading in general, not with objectification "wherever it may be".
I don't think I'm the one who's not being real here. Did I say that you would be prejudicial IF you found objectification to be happening? No. I said it's being prejudicial to believe that cheerleading=objectification, especially when you don't know jack about cheerleading to begin with. I wish you would stop putting words in my mouth.
If I thought *my daughter's squad* (or potential squad/team, if she wasn't actually involved yet and we were just thinking about it) was objectifying young girls, or about the fluff and not the athleticism, or was sexualizing young girls, you bet your booty that I'd 1) bring it up to TPTB, 2) tell her no, 3) be upset, etc.
But I'm not going to dismiss the entire possibility of my dd cheering because *some teams* are that way. I'm not going to base my decision on the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders, or the team the next town over, or the squad in the movie on tv last night. I'll make that determination based on the specifics of the specific team that my dd wants to join.
And, to further the discussion, I would do the same for any child of mine for any activity. Be it band, ballet, scouting, football, piano lessons, etc.
The eye blackening thing doesn't bother me, the boys haven't gotten into wrestling (mostly because I told them they had to give up something else, they weren't doing 102 sports a season, lol) and the football weight restriction, my son lived with it.
Yes, she will be 10 but that would only be 5 or 10 minutes here or there to run to the store, etc. I would not allow her to come home after school for a couple of hours by herself until she is in middle school.
If you think I said cheerleading = objectification, then you'd be putting words in *my* mouth. I said cheerleading, along with other kids' activities, may have the potential to objectify young kids, not that it inevitably does.
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"I agree that it skewed the conversation when ballet came was mentioned"
What do you mean you agree? I didn't say ANYTHING about ballet skewing the conversation. I said the conversation was skewed because you were comparing minors to adults. We are either comparing minors to minors, or adults to adults. Anything else would be disingenous.
As to you being wary of objectification wherever it may be... that may very well be true. But you have stated over and over again that almost the entire point of cheerleading is objectification. That you have a problem with cheerleading in general, not with objectification "wherever it may be".
I've seen pants down way, way below the waist line with underwear showing on boys.
PumpkinAngel
What I am saying is that your response to everything is "well if the boys don't do it" and I don't feel that is a valid arguement.
Here's where I think we diverge.
If I thought *my daughter's squad* (or potential squad/team, if she wasn't actually involved yet and we were just thinking about it) was objectifying young girls, or about the fluff and not the athleticism, or was sexualizing young girls, you bet your booty that I'd 1) bring it up to TPTB, 2) tell her no, 3) be upset, etc.
But I'm not going to dismiss the entire possibility of my dd cheering because *some teams* are that way. I'm not going to base my decision on the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders, or the team the next town over, or the squad in the movie on tv last night. I'll make that determination based on the specifics of the specific team that my dd wants to join.
And, to further the discussion, I would do the same for any child of mine for any activity. Be it band, ballet, scouting, football, piano lessons, etc.
The eye blackening thing doesn't bother me, the boys haven't gotten into wrestling (mostly because I told them they had to give up something else, they weren't doing 102 sports a season, lol) and the football weight restriction, my son lived with it.
PumpkinAngel
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It shouldn't be, imo. Has anyone said it should be?
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I would not allow her to come home after school for a couple of hours by herself until she is in middle school.
Sabina
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Oh, life is a glorious cycle of song,
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