Benefits of SES?

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Benefits of SES?
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Thu, 05-08-2003 - 9:48am
We've had numerous discussions about the benefits of SES. My DH and I watched the story on Dateline last night about the "powder puff" hazing incident near Chicago. We were dumbfounded and at a loss for words at the outright anger and hatred shown by girls who have *everything* -- broadened horizons, education, activities, wealth.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/US/GMA030507powder_puff_melee.html

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Thu, 05-08-2003 - 9:50am
I hate to sound dumb but what is SES?

"I do not want to be a princess! I want to be myself"

Mallory (age 3)

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Thu, 05-08-2003 - 10:01am
I didn't see Dateling but I did read the linked article. I am not sure how you are getting SES out of that article. This was a hazing ritual. The older kids beating on the younger kids with the understanding that the ones getting dumped on would get to do the beating the next year. I think it is a barbaric ritual, but what does it have to do with SES unless the Dateline story had more details than the article.
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Thu, 05-08-2003 - 10:02am
I believe that it is Socio Economic Standing. n/t
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Thu, 05-08-2003 - 10:04am
According to Dateline, the town is one of Chicago's wealthier communities. nt
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Thu, 05-08-2003 - 10:57am
I think it's another case of SES not having much ot do with it. I grew up in an area with a *very very very* high SES and experienced nothing like this or with this magnitude of anger and hatred. I think there are kids everywhere who will get caught up in this sort of thing, regardless of SES. I wouldn't expect kids with more money or more opportunity, broadened horizons, etc to act much differently in basic reactions and instincts than any other kids.
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Thu, 05-08-2003 - 11:09am
From what I saw on the news this morning, it was a private school that was supposed to be very exclusive and expensive, which I guess is the basis of the SES angle of this argument. Personally, I'd blame the principal, who knew that this had gone on in years past, and the kids, who let the thing get completely out of hand. Maybe in a secondary way, I'd put some blame with the parents, who should have know a little more about what their kids were doing.

The sad truth is that kids and alcohol are a deadly combination (there was apparently a lot of heavy drinking involved) and people (parents, school officials, whoever) need to pull their heads out of wherever they've tucked them away and get themselves involved in their kids' business.

I imagine the SES connection is supposed to be, if the parents weren't so "greedy", their kids wouldn't be at that private school, and would therefore be little angels. Kind of a leap in logic, I'd say, because I don't think there is a correlation between income level and stupidity.

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Thu, 05-08-2003 - 11:16am
Gotcha! Well, then, here is my take on SES, and I hope I can be coherent. On average, a child with a high SES has a better chance in life than one with a low SES. That being said, I think there comes a point where having more is not going to be of any more value. If you think of a graph, where SES is on the x-axis and benefit to the child is on the y-axis, the graph should increase quite a bit in the beginning. Eventually, it will flatten out meaning that any more increase in SES will not bring any more benefit to the child. I don't know exactly where that point it but it is somewhere around the point where the decisions that the parents make are no longer based on need but solely on want. For example, do we need a new car right now versus which new car do we want to buy. The kids are satiated. Now on this graph, there may come a point where it eventually starts to dip, meaning that more may actually be more harmful to a child than helpful. This may be the point where kids have so much that they just get bored and start to look for something more exciting to do because they have everything that they could possibly need or want. If the community in the article is really that wealthy, these kids may have reached that point.

Okay, after all of that mumbo jumbo, the kids may just be stupid. Money doesn't necessarily make kids any smarter. It is still the parent's job to teach them empathy.

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Thu, 05-08-2003 - 11:34am
Glenbard North is a public school - a premeiere school in a premiere neighborhood. I think this is going back to a higher SES turn out "better" children argument that has been discussed and defended on this board.

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Thu, 05-08-2003 - 11:48am
I don't really see a SES problem in this situation. What I do see from the news (Dateline and the Today Show) is a community that refuses to take responibility for the actions of their youth. The parents say it is not their fault and the school says it was not on school grounds and the police say they knew too late (even though they were called out there the year before) So, you have an activity that has grown increasly violent over the years and no one intervened. No one-not the parents, not the schools and not the police. If you have a community that refuses to watch their youth, this type of behavior is going to happen. The youth seemed to have no boundaries and no responible people to watch over them.

As a sidenote, on the Today Show, they were interviewing a teenage girl. Her quote was something along the lines of "A girl got her head split open but no one was killed. What was the big deal?" I was horrified. How did this girl get to the point where she lost her moral compass and her human empathy? It makes me want to crawl unnder the covers with my children and never let them go.

Kristi

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Mallory (age 3)

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Thu, 05-08-2003 - 11:55am
There are just some people who get off on the pain and humiliation of others. Then there are those who just go with the flow 'cause it's easier than bucking it. SES doesn't really matter except that in poorer neighborhoods it's called assault and in the wealthier ones it's called hazing or *tradition*.

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