Day-care costs and the economy

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Day-care costs and the economy
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Wed, 07-09-2008 - 1:10pm

The NYT had an article this weekend about raising the price of their day-care costs.

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Wed, 07-16-2008 - 6:13pm

I was told they were within ratio. 1-4 in infants UNLESS there's 2 teachers which would be 2-10. Now, I'm looking at the current standards and I think they must have changed because we never had it that low and I do remember checking on them.

BTW, I have worked in many daycares- Lapetite, Kids R kids, Primrose, YMCA, and several others (at least three) and the ratios were never as low as the current listing online. YMCA was great for summer camp and afterschool care but in my day class (3,4,5 YO) I had up to 22 kids by myself (during the busiest part of the day, 15 or so during the slower parts, and that was really hard. My 3 YOs were often special needs too. One was autistic, partially deaf, not potty trained, non verbal...and one was a non english speaker.

When you have worked in so many daycares and see the exact same ratios you assume that it's CORRECT. Why wouldn't it be? As for neglect, the children were fed (well as long as they weren't too slow) on a set schedule (sorry if you have special needs, feeding is at set times.) They were put down for a nap, although often the child cried themselves to sleep. They were changed regularly. Their necessities were taken care of, so I don't think the authorities would listen to a cry of neglect. But in MY book they were neglected. No one could do anymore, we needed more teachers.

And just because they have a certain number of workers there when you are there doesn't mean it's always like that. At Primrose they had lots of workers during the 8-9 hour and the 4-5 hours so they parents would think it was always like that. They also told parents that although they are welcome to drop in anytime please call ahead of time so that their presence is not a disruption in a particular activity. The teacher will let mom know when a good time will be to visit. OF course then there are more teacher aids in there when she visits and if she is there unannounced the director will make sure to get another teacher in there ASAP.

As for most of the kids only being there 8-5 that has never been the case in any of the daycares I've been in except YMCA daycamp. Most children are there 11 hours or longer. And you can't tell me that the sleeping hours count as family time. I realize that sometimes the child is sick but still, I'd rather spend most of my time with my child well.

And yes, I did have many many sick children in my care. I know they aren't supposed to be there but I'm busy and don't notice the child is sick until after the parent leaves and then the parent does not pick up the child when called.

I have seen directors and teachers lie to parents. I have heard of teachers abusing children and I have heard teachers say awful things to children and the directors lie to parents and say it didn't happen. Why didn't I say something to the parents? because I needed to work just like everyone else and couldn't afford to be fired. So you better believe there's things going on you don't know about. Stereotyped? Then so be it but I have so much experience and such bad experiences that my views should be considered. If you heard a Doctor tell you that he has seen 40% of his patients sewn up with foreign objects inside wouldn't it give you pause for thought next time you have a procedure done? I should hope so.

Why have I worked in so many different centers? Because I work there until I can no longer stand it and then I quit. I am SO glad to be out of that and at home with my girls.

sarah

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Wed, 07-16-2008 - 6:26pm
wow. I'm so glad Liza's center had a practically non existent turn over rate I think in the 5 years she wsa there only 2 teachers left and one was to get married and the other was when she had her own baby! It was definitely a warm welcoming place.
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Wed, 07-16-2008 - 6:35pm

Cool, what was you major in

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Wed, 07-16-2008 - 8:40pm

they forget that many dual-wohps stagger their hours.

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Wed, 07-16-2008 - 9:20pm

IF you have a low turn over in your center then it is likely a VERY good center. The centers I worked in had a revolving door of workers. It's hard to get hired because they don't want to loose you so they are very picky.

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Wed, 07-16-2008 - 9:51pm

college:

I got an associates in child development specific to day cares (requires X number of years of hands on experience which I had, plus recommendations of X number of parents and an extensive evaluation, testing and classes.) Prior to that I went to college for youth ministry, child evangelism, and missions. I was the paid ast youth leader at a church for one year and then the paid children's ministry leader when the position became available.

Why did I work in day care if I didn't like it? Oh, it wasn't working in day care that I didn't like. I chose daycare because I love kids and although I'm good in sales and did wonderfully as a store manager, it wasn't my passion- kids are. My problem with the day care environment was mostly the management. We were understaffed and overworked and poorly paid even after I got my degree (I got a fifty cent raise) and difficulty adhering to the minimum standards the law put forth because of lack of support from some of the managers. I had a manager tell me to pee in a cup because there was no one to relive me for the bathroom. One center routinely called me at 5 AM to come into work several hours early and I fell down the stairs and began to miscarry. Told I still had to come in, I did and had contractions all day and miscarried that night. Another manager had me working even though I was throwing up and having diarreah. I was allowed to go home for extra clothes because I had already soiled several outfits but was told I had to return in fifteen minutes or I would be fired. When the streets flooded and I couldn't get my car out I was told to walk to work.

Parents complained of things that were happening during the day and the directors would tell them that it wasn't true, but they knew it was and I knew it was. When the parent left there would be a buzz among the teachers but no one would actually stand up to the managers and tell the truth to the parents for fear of loosing their jobs and being 'black balled.'

Although there were occasionally some WONDERFUL parents, there were many who couldn't be bothered with sick children or brought them at opening picked them up well after closing EVEN WHEN OFF WORK FOR THE DAY, ect. I had a parent complain to management and write me up because she came early and her son's clothes were wet WHILE he was drinking the juice. He had a bid on, what more could I do? I always changed his clothes when he finished his bottle. I had parents complain that I was racist against their child, not knowing at the time I was engaged to a man who was half black and half Korean and of mixed race myself.

The problems I had with daycares was not something I could change. I couldn't make there be adequate number of workers or a low turn over rate or healthy children or happy parents or even proper bathroom and lunch breaks or sick leave. And I would quit and find another non-daycare position only to really hate it and miss being with the kids.

It would be absolutely stupid for me to go back to work and be with other people's kids and not my own, though, don't you think? Yet that's what my mother in law has tried to convince me to do for five years. I am too smart to stay at home? since when does it take an idiot to raise children? Why is it that the smart and talented women are expected to work? Right now, my place is with my children and that is most deffinitely where I belong.

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Wed, 07-16-2008 - 10:06pm

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I totally believe that. Many of my best students were home-schooled, so I'm a huge fan of home-schoolers now.



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Wed, 07-16-2008 - 10:37pm

I totally forgot about that part of your post. What state were you living in that had that ratio? So not my experience with dc. The kids who were there early went home early; the kids who came late were there late. The parent who went to work later dropped off and the parent who came home early picked up. And the average dc week is only about 32 hours a week.

Chris

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Wed, 07-16-2008 - 10:47pm

Bravo {with a standing ovation]

Chris

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Wed, 07-16-2008 - 11:03pm

Dylan's dc hires alumni when they reach 14 as summer help. The teens beg to come back as help. There have been summers where she hires 5 of them, each one day a week. They get paid work experience and have a ball playing with the younger kids, some of whom are their younger siblings. And I always assumed that all parents use the same dc for 10+ years because that's how long the parents used that dc.

Chris

The truth may be out there but lies are in your head. Terry Pratchett

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