Fathers have a choice

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Fathers have a choice
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Tue, 07-25-2006 - 1:45pm

I was flipping through the channels this morning when I came across one of those baby shows. I think it was called Bringing home Baby or something like that. Anyway, the part that caught my attention was where they were changing the baby (actually she was doing the changing. He was just standing and watching) She then made the comment that he "doesn't do diapers". She then goes on to say her dad didn't either and try to come up with some reasons why some dad's don't do it and how they can't handle it, blah, blah, blah. The new dad then piped in that he couldn't stand the smell and he just doesn't do them. She then says...some dads do and some dads don't.

So I sat there and thought.....Why does dad get a *choice* in it at all? Why do they get to *opt out* of the diaper changing duties? What if the mom decided she couldn't stand the smell as well? Would the child then stay in a dirty diaper for the next two years until he is potty trained or until one of them broke own and changed the poor child? Why would a mom think that changing a diaper was an opional assignment for the dad?

Anyway....it's not really sah/woh. But I thought it a good debate topic.....Why do dads get the choice to *opt out* of parenting duties? And why would moms let them do it?

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Registered: 03-27-2003
Wed, 08-02-2006 - 5:31pm

I haven't seen a war that I support in my lifetime. My observations tell me that war increases pain and anger and prejudice.

J

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Registered: 07-26-2006
Wed, 08-02-2006 - 5:42pm
Right you have also said what you get. That is what is incorrect. If you would have left it at I get it, I understand. That would be one thing. However what you said you get and what you understand is incorrect.
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Registered: 07-26-2006
Wed, 08-02-2006 - 5:43pm
So were you supportive of the United States invading Afghanistan? If not, why?
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Wed, 08-02-2006 - 5:47pm
Boomerang--I get it now. I loved the Addams Family, but I don't remember Tom and Jerry.
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Wed, 08-02-2006 - 5:51pm

I did not support our invading Afghanistan.

1) It was based on revenge.
2) We did not have our ducks in a row for an end game.
3) An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
4) We played into the hands of Al Queda and created another generation of fighters.

5) We violated the prime directive.

Why did you support or not support the war in Afghanistan?




Edited 8/2/2006 5:52 pm ET by janetlynn_64
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Wed, 08-02-2006 - 7:47pm
I completely support the war in Afghanistan as well as Iraq. I would also support any action taken againest Iran. The war in Afghanistan wasn't about revenge. It is showing other countries that such acts of terrorism will no longer go unanswered. These acts have gone unanswered for too long. We can not allow terrorist to attack our country without recourse. As for a new generation of terrorist. I don't think that is true. I believe that those are the same people that would be terrorists whether or not we are there. I believe there is a time and a place for war. While no one likes war or wants war it is a necessary evil. These terrorists will continue to attack this country for one simple reason...they can. They hate us and everything this country stands for and loves. I believe that is more than worthy of defending.
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Wed, 08-02-2006 - 7:56pm

"They hate us and everything this country stands for and loves. " Who is this "they"? If "they" do hate us, why should we invade their country and kill their children? Will that make them not hate us?

"We can not allow terrorist to attack our country without recourse. " Why? DOesn't it create more death and more hatred and more acts of violence? How does war solve the problem?

How have the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq solved the problem?

What if instead of bombing the children of the world we fed them, clothed them, provided maleria netting and good clean water and good schools? Wouldn't that change hearts more that bombing them to smitherins? It would cost quite a bit less too.

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Registered: 07-26-2006
Wed, 08-02-2006 - 8:26pm

<<<" Who is this "they"? If "they" do hate us, why should we invade their country and kill their children? Will that make them not hate us?>>>

The racical Islamist and AL Queda. Yes we should invade their country. It is horrible that accidents happen and children die. However do we hate them when they have killed our children and our people for no reason whatsoever?

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Do you not understand that these radicals can not be dealt with on any other level than war? Do you not understand that they hate us simply because of our way of life? If you think that they wouldn't kill you and your entire family if given the oppoortunity you are wrong. Shall we discuss all the beheadings of those their simply in the name of peace? They do not value human life to any degree.

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Have we been attacked since 9/11? I remember the first WTC attack. I also remember the USS Cole. Both unanswered attacks.

<<< What if instead of bombing the children of the world we fed them, clothed them, provided maleria netting and good clean water and good schools? Wouldn't that change hearts more that bombing them to smitherins? It would cost quite a bit less too.>>>

Are you aware that the US drops food every single day there? Are you aware that we are building schools, and providing them with clean running water? Something that they have never had. Women are voting, little girls are going to school.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051207.html

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Registered: 03-27-2003
Wed, 08-02-2006 - 9:21pm

"They do not value human life to any degree. "

So we should sink to their level and not value life either?

I value life, which is why I am against killing and murder. I will not respond to anymore of your posts on this line as it does not pertain to the topic of this debate forum.

Your link is biased and has been spinned doctored.

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Registered: 07-26-2006
Wed, 08-02-2006 - 9:29pm
We aren't stooping to their level. We do our best to prevent death to innocent civilians. The radicals that we are fighting don't. There is a huge difference. I got that link from a neighbor that is a soldier that has been to Iraq. So no spin doctoring. He has seen firsthand what has happened there.

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