Fathers have a choice

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Fathers have a choice
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Tue, 07-25-2006 - 1:45pm

I was flipping through the channels this morning when I came across one of those baby shows. I think it was called Bringing home Baby or something like that. Anyway, the part that caught my attention was where they were changing the baby (actually she was doing the changing. He was just standing and watching) She then made the comment that he "doesn't do diapers". She then goes on to say her dad didn't either and try to come up with some reasons why some dad's don't do it and how they can't handle it, blah, blah, blah. The new dad then piped in that he couldn't stand the smell and he just doesn't do them. She then says...some dads do and some dads don't.

So I sat there and thought.....Why does dad get a *choice* in it at all? Why do they get to *opt out* of the diaper changing duties? What if the mom decided she couldn't stand the smell as well? Would the child then stay in a dirty diaper for the next two years until he is potty trained or until one of them broke own and changed the poor child? Why would a mom think that changing a diaper was an opional assignment for the dad?

Anyway....it's not really sah/woh. But I thought it a good debate topic.....Why do dads get the choice to *opt out* of parenting duties? And why would moms let them do it?

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Registered: 04-09-2003
Thu, 08-03-2006 - 4:48pm

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Now you're just playing word games, and I'm not going to bite.

<< You still didn't answer my question how these passengers knew these people were from the Middle East or Muslims.>>

It is quite common at most International airports, to see people of many countries. Most passengers who fly (with the exception of businessmen/businesswomen) don't fly more than once or twice a year. It did tend to be the people who appeared *less traveled* to question me, if there were any Middle Easterns onboard. I'm sorry to say, I can't speak for other people who questioned me about the nationality of other passengers, or how they came to that conclusion. I can only bear witness to the fact that I did witness the prejudice of others here in *the meting pot*, as a contradiction to your previous post that *we* are tolerant of others.

Julia

Julia

Proud Mommy of Macey and Reece

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Thu, 08-03-2006 - 4:51pm

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Exactly what I was thinking.

Julia

Julia

Proud Mommy of Macey and Reece

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Thu, 08-03-2006 - 4:52pm
we arent even tolerant of americans who dont look, act and think just like the moral majority think they should (at least under this admin), why would anyone think we are tolerant of those from other countries.
Jennie
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Thu, 08-03-2006 - 4:52pm
I am well aware of Bush's ratings. However that is the first problem. You can not have talks with dictators in the Middle East. Do you really believe Bush or Clinton could have ever had a sit down with Bin Laden? Do you really believe that those with the belief that lying to the enemy to win at war would ever be productive?
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Registered: 07-26-2006
Thu, 08-03-2006 - 4:55pm
What happened to their way of life is none of our business? You want to step in and provide them with our way of life? Again I disagree with you here. You aren't ever going to be able to work with the radicals in the Middle East. It is a religious belief that they carry and are bred to think this way.
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Registered: 01-13-2006
Thu, 08-03-2006 - 4:56pm
please dont tell my you think the united states is honest when dealing with its enemies? have you seen or heard the propoganda they are putting out in the countries they have invaded?
Jennie
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Thu, 08-03-2006 - 4:58pm

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I was thinking the same thing.

PumpkinAngel

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Thu, 08-03-2006 - 4:59pm
what happened to their way of life is definately our concern when we are responsible either directly or indirectly thru financial and providing the weapons that destroyed their way of life. what is it the sign in stores says, you break it, you buy it.
Jennie
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Thu, 08-03-2006 - 5:01pm

What does Bin Laden have to do with having talks with dictators in the Middle East?

PumpkinAngel

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Thu, 08-03-2006 - 5:02pm

You think recent history and the cause of problems is irrelevant in deciding how to bring about change? You think people from certain regions are "bred" to think radically?

Please tell me: how many middle eastern countries have you lvied in, or visited for an extended period of time, or studied the history, politics, culture, etc, if your only knowledge is from afar? And which of these countries is breeding people to be radicals? And which segment of that population is the radically bred segment?

There is a world of difference between Turkey, Syria, Saudi, Eqypt, Cyprus, etc. Yet they are all in the Middle East. Do you just find them all irrationally bred maniacal killers, and you need not be bothered to even try to understand the situation before deciding what to do about it? Should we wage war in all of them? If understanding the problem is unnecessary to you, how do you go about finding a solution?

I'm really floored to think that someone says it is unimportant to understand the history, society and problems in an area before we decide to wage a war and take over the area and "fix it." How are you going to win a war if you know nothing but nonsense stereotypes about the enemy?

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