If you hadn't had kids...

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If you hadn't had kids...
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Thu, 05-20-2004 - 10:34pm
And your dh made enough $$ to support both of you comfortably, do you think you would be working?

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Tue, 05-25-2004 - 7:04pm
Txgan explained it better than I could. Yes, we planned & we discussed for 3 years prior to walking down the aisle. No, we didn't say, you will be expected to clean, cook, market because you are the sahw. We still don't do that today here nearly 14 years later.

Assuming and expecting are two entirely different things. At least in this marriage. I may assume dh is going to mow the yard Sat evening but I could be very wrong & I don't expect him to mow it. If it doesn't get mowed, then I do it. No biggie.

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Tue, 05-25-2004 - 7:05pm
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I would disagree with that, being Christian, however, within the context of this debate and this specific subthread, I believe it was MORE than clear I was only SPEAKING of Christians, particularly in light of the sentence that immediately preceded "I mean, if we're still sacrificing animals as atonement, why do we need Christ?"


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No. I think repentance does. It's why Isaiah and most of the other prophets (especially Amos) prior to and during the exilic period spoke of God hating and despising "your festivals and sacrifices". Because in the absence of true repentance, the ritual of burning sacrifice had become of no more consequence than a serial murderer who insists in court, "But I *said* I was sorry!"

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Again, no. That Christ died for you is something I believe. That his death is meaningless FOR you and for your atonement (or that of anyone else's, just this conversation is between us, so I'm using you--it's just as relevant if "you" is replaced with "me") is a surety if you do nothing in RESPONSE to that sacrifice. If you believe Christ to be nothing more than mythology, his sacrifice cannot help you. And that's between you, God and Christ. Doesn't change my belief God loves you as dearly as I believe and KNOW he loves me. Doesn't change my belief that Christ died as much for you as he died for me. The difference is that I accept it and you do not. The difference is NOT that I'm better, more deserving, nicer, more moral or anything else than you--not even slightly.


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I don't find the terms "sin" and "human nature" mutually exclusive. I can as easily classify "sin" as "human nature" as I can as "sin." It's still the same basic thing, with the same basic consequences.

It's totally okay with me if you don't believe; I don't need your belief to underwrite mine. it's totally okay with me if you think Christ a mythological legend. And if you need to use harsh words and terms to declare your disbelief, that's okay, too. I know beyond a doubt in my heart that Christ lived...and lives, but there's nothing I can show or point you to so that you can know from my knowledge. (The downside of "faith", I'm afraid)

However, PNJ's post was clearly speaking about CHRISTIANS, as was mine. Therefore, your declaration that "only Christians need Christ" seems....well....redundant, to say the least. And I'm unsure of the remainder of your post dealing with non-Christians. if you believe you don't need Christ, that's for you to decide, but why believe it had any relevance in a discussion ABOUT Christians?

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Tue, 05-25-2004 - 7:07pm
OK. So you guys then *assume* that the sahp will do those things.
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Tue, 05-25-2004 - 7:08pm
If I may, what religion are you that you say that?
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Tue, 05-25-2004 - 7:09pm
I don't care if you do or don't volunteer. I was merely pointing out the fallacy that school volunteering cannot occur if you have no childcare available to you.
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Registered: 05-28-2003
Tue, 05-25-2004 - 7:10pm
I was brought up Methodist. Why do you ask?
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Tue, 05-25-2004 - 7:12pm
Guess so. We got married, went away on our honeymoon, came home a few weeks later and I just kinda picked up doing this and he picked up doing that around the house and we got into a routine. Like I said, he to this day does not expect me to clean the house. If it doesn't get done, fine, he does it. He doesn't expect dinner or his underwear washed, if a meal is on the table & he opens the drawer and finds clean ones then it is his lucky day. Otherwise, he throws together some fish & rice and in a load of undies.

Simple really, I don't know why on earth you want to make the whole thing so complicated.

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Registered: 03-18-2004
Tue, 05-25-2004 - 7:13pm

You know, I don't "get" it, but I respect it, and even think its sweet.

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Tue, 05-25-2004 - 7:17pm
I know. That is what I am debating.

You have a very narrow definition of volunteer.

I see it in the same way the dictionary defines it. Volunteer:1 : a person who voluntarily undertakes or expresses a willingness to undertake a service.

You are a volunteer. You are voluntarily undertaking a service.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 05-25-2004 - 7:18pm
Nah, I get at least an honorable mention for letting my babies CIO, putting them to bed in their own crib, and using Gerber from a jar for months on end for nutrition.

Oh, and get this, I didn't even bother documenting when they started sippy cups. I can tell you that it was the fourth of July 2 summers ago when we stopped using them, though!

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