If you hadn't had kids...

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Registered: 04-23-2004
If you hadn't had kids...
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Thu, 05-20-2004 - 10:34pm
And your dh made enough $$ to support both of you comfortably, do you think you would be working?

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Registered: 03-25-2003
Wed, 05-26-2004 - 5:46pm
Well, being DQ'd from the Mommy Olympics sure does take a lot of the pressure off!

Hugs,

Bridget & Ethan (5)

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Registered: 03-29-2003
Wed, 05-26-2004 - 5:47pm
ROFLOL....change those definitions as they fit, huh? SAHM = STAY AT HOME MOM....nothing having anything to do with WHY.

eileen

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Registered: 03-27-2003
Wed, 05-26-2004 - 6:05pm
Wow, now there's an out. Any sahm that is isn't great is only a mom by default of unemployment. Does that unemployment have to be involuntary or can it be voluntary?

Does that cover those of us who are who at home for reasons other than to be with our children? What about those of us who have multiple reasons to be at home?

Or to qualify for the SAHM title, do we have be at home soley to be there for our children?


Janet

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Registered: 03-31-2003
Wed, 05-26-2004 - 6:06pm
"No. I think repentance does."

Then what do Christians think the purpose of animal sacrifice/burnt offering and the human sacrifice of Christ was for?

"Because in the absence of true repentance, the ritual of burning sacrifice had become of no more consequence than a serial murderer who insists in court, "But I *said* I was sorry!"

But don't you see, animal sacrifice/burnt offering with or without repentance IS of no more consequence than serial murder. How on earth could killing an animal (with or without repentance) atone for or take away sin? The idea is absolutely ludicrous? Why do people believe such nonsensical violence?

"That Christ died for you is something I believe."

So you admit to accepting the idea of human sacrifice as the atonement for sin? Why? How on earth could offering someone as a sacrifice (human or otherwise), atone for sin? How does killing someone take away sin anymore than it can atone for it? HOw? Can you please explain it to me?

"That his death is meaningless FOR you."

I didn't say his death was meaningless,I wsimply said that it is meaningless to think that his death could *atone for or take away sin*.

"If you believe Christ to be nothing more than mythology, his sacrifice cannot help you. Doesn't change my belief God loves you as dearly as I believe and KNOW he loves me. Doesn't change my belief that Christ died as much for you as he died for me."

I don't believe that *Christ* is mythology, I believe that *human sacrifice* for the atonement of sin is mythology.

"And that's between you, God and Christ."

Not if I'm not a Christian.

"Doesn't change my belief God loves you as dearly as I believe and KNOW he loves me."

Why would a "Christian" God love me as much as you, if I didn't accept the ideas of sin, repentance, burnt offerings and human sacrifice as the atonement for sin, the trinity, and especially Christianity?

"Doesn't change my belief that Christ died as much for you as he died for me."

But clearly I don't think that Christ died for me, nor do I think that human sacrifice has anything remotely to do eith atoning for sin, nor do I even believe in the idea/concept of "sin" in the first place.

"I don't find the terms "sin" and "human nature" mutually exclusive. I can as easily classify "sin" as "human nature" as I can as "sin." It's still the same basic thing, with the same basic consequences."

Actually I don't think they can be classified in the same way. "Sin" is something Christians classify as *evil*. Most Christians also think it is something they should feel *guilty* for. IMO, *human nature* is just that *human nature*, no *evil* or *guilt* involved.


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Registered: 03-31-2003
Wed, 05-26-2004 - 6:09pm
"Jesus wasn't "human."


Than what was he?

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Registered: 03-31-2003
Wed, 05-26-2004 - 6:13pm
"Congratulations you have found out what is best and works for your family. You can find it appalling, sad, and LoL until you are blue in the face about others but....your thoughts and opinions are just that...yours"

Absolutely!!!

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Registered: 03-18-2004
Wed, 05-26-2004 - 6:28pm
This is a SAH/WOH debate board.

Mondo

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Registered: 03-29-2003
Wed, 05-26-2004 - 6:45pm
Why would they be carrying them around if they WEREN'T IN THE HOUSE IN THE FIRST PLACE?
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Registered: 03-29-2003
Wed, 05-26-2004 - 6:50pm
It looks like I've missed a whole lot of this debate, but, theology and SAH debates aside, isn't the core of this issue really empathy?

If you can't empathize with others, if you don't particularly care that some stranger needs a blood donation or a warm jacket in order to survive, then of COURSE you don't see a need to volunteer. You would only be able to consider volunteerism the moral equivalent of sacrificing human beings if you are unable to empathize; if human suffering is meaningless to you.

It's not something you can argue someone into understanding.

Sometimes I get discouraged, because I feel like my volunteering doesn't solve the problems I wish could be solved. But honestly, people's lives are made better because of the small amount of work I do. And those people count, even if I don't know them. And that's good enough for me.

Congratulations! I'm so happy to hear it. I just heard the good news and popped back over, just in case you were still checking in.
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Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 05-26-2004 - 6:51pm
Still waiting for an answer.....

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