If you hadn't had kids...

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If you hadn't had kids...
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Thu, 05-20-2004 - 10:34pm
And your dh made enough $$ to support both of you comfortably, do you think you would be working?

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 05-27-2004 - 8:18am
Thank you. I do see your point, but I also disagree that the worry and doubts about attacks are limited to non-Christian worshippers. I live in the DC area and a good many military worship at our church. I worship in Laurel, MD, the town where 3 of the 4 9/11 pilots lived prior to the attacks. Of course we worry about attacks during worship.

And even though our pastor is against gay marriage and gay pastors in positions of leadership, when he preached a sermon of love and compassion for gay people, we were picketed by Fred Phelps and his ilk.

I don't think we have armed guards, but that doesn't mean we are free of worries about attacks. I'm SO sorry, truly, that you have to face what you do. I freely admit that the concept is almost unthinkable--not only because it's horrible but because this area HAS a large Jewish population (traffic is noticeably lighter during Jewish holidays). We also have a very large Muslim population. The pastors, rabbis and...ooops..imans?? (Muslim leaders) in Laurel work hard to foster cooperative relationships because it's one way to foster an atmosphere where people aren't feeling threatened to be in the minority and to discourage the majority from deciding that harassing others is a fine way to spend one's time. Doesn't always work because the hatemongers are alive and well. But we try.

Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me...and also for understanding that I wasn't trying to flame you into oblivion. I would never want to do that to you.

Take care,

Karen

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Thu, 05-27-2004 - 8:40am
My ped said not to start it at all unless I was having problems w/constipation or something. My DN was a juice addict (all he would drink was apple juice) and I asked if it was necessary (to give DS juice), since most juice is basically sugar water, and my ped said it isn't--in fact, she's not an advocate of giving it unless there is a constipation problem or you're trying to work in a fruit/veggie serving (1 serving, BTW) when the kid is older. DS, to this day, rarely drinks anything but formula/milk & water.

JME, C

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Thu, 05-27-2004 - 8:43am

I guess your idol is "The Perfect Mother."


I will continue to accept my deep and wide imperfections in motherhood and other endeavors, in exchange for knowing that I have eternal life.

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Thu, 05-27-2004 - 8:49am
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To bridge the gap in order for grace to occur. Why does God require it? Dunno. Not sure why DNA was the method He chose as one of the foundations of creation, either, but he did. For the record, I similarly do not require of myself a technical understanding of the toaster, the radio, nor the oven in order to use any of the three and find value in them. I'm happy to accept that "turn the knob" or "press down the lever" and they work. You don't? Cool.

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No, I don't see that at all. What I *do* find silly is someone who lacks a belief in God deciding what that same God may or may not require of His followers. If you don't believe how can you even begin to pose an argument against that God's requirement for repentance and atonement? The moment you begin to argue what should or shouldn't be the standard, you ahve to either acknowledge that God exists and you personally find his requirements unfair or unreasonable OR you have to admit you are demanding standards from something that isn't real. Neither position is particularly rational, which makes your own arguments about God's reasonability is bit ....welll....hypocritical.

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No. It requires faith in the existence of God and you lack that faith. As long as you lack that faith, the explanations regarding atonement, repentance and all the other concepts you disapprove of will remain meaningless and senseless to you. Without the common ground of belief in the living God, you and I *have* no ability to come to an understanding on this point, and that common belief requires faith, which can NOT, by definition,, be explained or proven in any factual way. if it could, it wouldn't be faith.

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Given the fact that such atonement *is* the meaning of Christ's sacrificial death, take that away and his death IS meaningless. As is his entire purpose and role. If Christ didn't have to die for us, then Christianity is a lie. You believe it is a lie; I do not--we have reached an impasse on this point.

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Then what you really mean to say is you don't believe *JESUS* is mythology; Christ is not his name, it's his title and refers specifically and pointed to his Divinity as the Son of God, the sacrificial Lamb of God, the Suffering Servant, 1/3 of the Trinity. Unless you believe Jesus died to save you from your sins, you MUST believe *Christ* is mythology, even if you believe Jesus once lived.

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Even if you're not. You have to have dealt with the topic of Christ in order to reject the divinity of him.

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Why wouldn't he? If you don't believe in God, you can hardly claim to decide who he may or may not choose to love.

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So? What's that got to do with what I believe? I have no problems with you not believign in what I believe in. I'm cool with that, and I'm pretty sure Christ is, too. Doesn't change the fact that I believe that, as I am loved, you are also, because I BELIEVE what he taught, and love for the "least, last and lost (i.e., lost = non believer)" was a BIGGIE. Christ said himself he came to save the lost. You don't do something like give up your life for someone that you don't love.

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Okay, but that doesn't change the fact that I do.

<< "Sin" is something Christians classify as *evil*. >>

Actually, that's no true. "Sin" is something Christians classify as "resistance to God's grace." because ANYTHIGN that causes a person to resist God's grace, by definition, puts distance and conflict between that person and God...and that's sin. To deliberately avoid God, and avoid relationship with God is sin. There are many things which God approves (such as working to support a family, for just one example in a very weak and late attempt to tie this thread into the board purpose) can be done sinfully. When the purpose is to create space or distance or avoidance of the relationship with God to which we are called, it's sin.

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But I disagree that your opinion on that score is valid, so again...an impasse.



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Thu, 05-27-2004 - 8:52am

My older son will be 5 in August.

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Thu, 05-27-2004 - 8:56am

Yes, there is a difference in having a WOH commitment and not. But there are so many factors.

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Thu, 05-27-2004 - 8:58am
Our dentist says no more than 4 oz. of juice a day.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 05-27-2004 - 9:00am
It's interesting - she'd obviously feel very guilty for being a formula feeding WOHM - but feels no guilt for her sins.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 05-27-2004 - 9:00am
Pshaw! You amateur! I left John with his sitter for 2 weeks, not one time....not twice. But THREE TIMES. Before he was 8 months old.

I had so much breast milk I was actually leaking 3 months before I gave birth, yet I deliberately chose to bottle feed formula.

Not only did I NOT co-sleep, John's middle of the night hiccups and sighs were so disruptive to my sleep, I shut all the doors between his room and mine.

Vaccinations?? He got all of them. On time.

AND he took a BEDTIME BOTTLE OF MILK until he was nearly 3 years old.

:::buffing my nails on my shirt collar:::: I believe the Bad Mommy Tiara is mine, thank you.

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Registered: 03-25-2003
Thu, 05-27-2004 - 9:20am
Why, yes!

Hugs,

Bridget & Ethan (5)

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