Ladies...Enough Already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ladies...Enough Already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 2:10pm
Can we please voluntarily end this thread from grlimilakinskeeper, or whatever her screen name is...it's getting too personal, and not very productive.

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Thu, 10-14-2004 - 5:00pm
I'm a little shocked by this too. One of the girls in my 3rd grade class was half black half white, which at that time *was* shocking. I remember meeting both her parents and being surprised (becase in my household, this was just *not* done). But I don't ever remember anyone ostricizing her because of her ethnicity.

I watched my father beat my mother to a bloody pulp with a broom handle when I was about two or three years old. I cannot begin to tell you how that has affected me -- in many, many ways. It is only now that I'm semi-normal -- and that is with tons of therapy.

The more I read about CLW's life, the more I shake my head. It is so apparent she is denying how much her parents hurt her. Just like she is denying how much she is hurting her children in turn.

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Thu, 10-14-2004 - 5:28pm
Dang! Where did you grow up? I'm only a couple years younger than you so we must have both had 70's childhoods- when divorce was becoming common. Did you grow up in a fairly religious community? I wonder because there are little bubbles all around the country where the things becoming common elsewhere are still very much taboo. But the 70's (and you must have grown up in the 70's to be mid-40's) was when the divorce rate really surged. Although my parents were (and still are) together, I knew plenty of kids with divorced parents. It never occured to anybody to ostracize them since divorce wasn't frowned on.
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Thu, 10-14-2004 - 5:42pm
She has also regularly referred to them as *shrinks* and *quacks*. She has said she does not feel that psychiatrists know what they are doing. That none ever helped her or her ss so they are basically useless. And that her dds would have to actually be *mentally ill* before she would consult a psychiatrist.

She appears to have based her opinions on a large amount of misinformation, considering she does not understand the difference between one mental health profession and another, nor does she seem to grasp the idea that there is a difference between a person who could benefit from counseling and a person who is mentally ill.

I really dont see how her comments can be interpreted any differently than how she wrote them.

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Thu, 10-14-2004 - 7:58pm
I know the difference, lol. Degrees of education.
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Thu, 10-14-2004 - 7:59pm
Um a psychiatrist is a doctor. Thereapists are not.
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Thu, 10-14-2004 - 8:07pm
Great assessment there. I think people use mental health professionals as crutches and excuses not to deal with their own lives. One of the things I must arm my kids with is the ability to deal with what life throws them. If they're not dealing with it, we'll seek help. Until then, we don't need it.

I have known so many people who have gone into counseling when what they really needed was to just deal with their lives. I've seen people mislead by the counselors prejudices (which become self fullfilling prophecies once the right seeds have been planted). If I send my dd's to a counselor who believes that girls will have problems because of a divorce, guess what WILL happen? They'll have problems but will it be because of how the divorce was handled within the family or because the counselor believed they would and planted the right seeds?

My experience is that counselors can confuse situations as much as they can help. I'd have to know my kids had specific issues before I'd take them in for professional treatment and then I'd be very in tune with what is being said. Counselors bring their own baggage to counseling sessions and have preconcieved ideas about what SHOULD be happeneing to kids during specific times. I also think they are prone to experiment on their patients. The nature of the business I guess. They have their place and if we ever need them, we'll use them. Just as I don't go to the doctor, repeatedly, when I'm not sick, I'm not sending my kids in for treatment if they're not sick. For the time being, I'll trust my own instincts here. After all, I've lived what they are going through and survived to tell about it.

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Thu, 10-14-2004 - 8:09pm
Show me ONE post where I called them "quacks". Yes, I refer to them as shrinks. If the shoe fits. What do they do? They analyze your head and try to reduce what they find to some small pile of data that can be dealt with. Shrink fits.

While there are quacks out there, that is true of any profession. I never called the profession quacks.


Edited 10/14/2004 8:10 pm ET ET by grimalkinskeeper

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Thu, 10-14-2004 - 8:09pm
Where did I use the work quack? While I've met a few, I never implied of inferred the profssion was full of them. Don't put words in my mouth. I think shrinks fits because they analyze heads and try to put the data into a neat little pile that can be dealt with. Unfortunately, the pile is rarely neat or little.


Edited 10/14/2004 8:11 pm ET ET by grimalkinskeeper
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Thu, 10-14-2004 - 8:14pm
Then I'll pay for it. I don't have any problem paying for services my kids need. I've done it before and I'll do it again if need be. Being on psychtropic drugs is not the only reason to need your head examined.

If you ask me, most plans have that backwards. I wouldn't see a nurse practitioner to determine if I need a doctor, I'd see a doctor to determine that a nurse practitioner will do. Of course, they're just choosing to use the cheapest option first.

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Thu, 10-14-2004 - 8:35pm
Nope. Completely different types of education, different fields of education. Certainly not a LACK of education.

dj

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