Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful

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Sun, 03-19-2006 - 3:09pm

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051101/news_1n1earlyed.html

Very interesting. Particularly the difference in the middle to upper income kids vs low income.

"I personally feel children need the nurture of their parents and the home," she said. "Those early years, that's when they are bonding to their family. That nurturing, only the family can give that."

I tend to agree.

MM, WOHM to B&E, 7.24.03

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Mon, 04-17-2006 - 2:20pm

"So, based on my experience, they need more from you during the teenage years than during the toddler stage."

I can see where you are coming from, especially based on your experience.

However, imo, children need/require a lot of different things regardless of age, stage, etc.

Sure, any parent can say, such as such was the most important time wrt their children.

However, I don't think it will necessarily be the same scenerio for each child, or even wrt children in the same family I might add.

Anyway, thanks for sharing. You should post more often.

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Mon, 04-17-2006 - 2:21pm

"For one thing, not all Christians celebrate Christmas on December 25, just as not all Christians celebrated Easter yesterday."

And? Your point here would be...what exactly?

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Mon, 04-17-2006 - 2:28pm
I disagree. If there are limited resources, the disabled child is a priority before the gifted child because the disabled child needs the extra help just to be able to function as an adult whereas the gifted child needs the help to reach their full potential and not get bored. I'd love to see all gifted kids reach their fullesrt potential. But if money is tight, I think that making sure the kid with Down's Syndrome can count money is a lot more important. The gifted kids need the help to thrive. But the disabled kids need the help merely to survive. So they come first in line.
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Mon, 04-17-2006 - 2:35pm
The reason I think those with disabilities have greater needs is because many of them need the extra help merely to function as adults in society. The price that a disabled kid pays for not getting services is a lot higher than the price the gifted kid pays. For a disabled kid, the extra help they get can mean the diffrence between being able to hold a job as an adult and being unable to. A gifted kid can ultimately find their own way, even if they are bored to tears and they don't learn as much as they would in a special class. The price they pay for not learning as much as they could is far lower, as an adult, than the price the disabled kid pays.
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Mon, 04-17-2006 - 2:43pm
That link doesn't argue your case. It shows that gifted kids will learn far more if placed in gifted classes. Absolutely true. But the price that a gifted kid pays for not living up to his potential is lower than the price a disabled kid pays. If you think a kid with Down's Syndrome and a kid who is a genius will have an equally difficult time supporting themselves as an adult with no childhood special services then...you need to meet some kids (and adults) with Down's. DD's school has two kids with Downs. By the end of their intensive and expensive and resource-using public education, they will liekly be able to hold down minimum wage jobs: jobs they wouldn't be qualified for if the school system didn't pour so much into them. I think that it's more important to ensure that a kid with Downs can hold a minimum wage job than to help a gifted kid get into MIT at 16 rather than 18.
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Mon, 04-17-2006 - 2:45pm

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"On Christmas? by all means, yes. Why? Because the word Christmas means, literally, the Mass of Christ; it is a contraction of the words "Christs Mass"."

And this gives Christianity a monopoly how?

BTW, Also from Wikipedia:

"The celebration of the winter solstice was widespread and popular in northern Europe long before the arrival of Christianity, and the word for Christmas in the Scandinavian languages is still today the pagan jul (=yule).

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"I for one think so."

Really? How?

Also for Wikipedia:

"Since the customs of Christmas celebration largely evolved in northern Europe, many are associated with the Northern Hemisphere winter, the motifs of which are prominent in Christmas decorations and in Santa Claus stories."

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Mon, 04-17-2006 - 2:48pm

Playing dumb again, eh?

Why did you choose the date of December 25th to celebrate your "non-religious, secular, cultural, non-Christian" holiday? Why not January 7th, the date that many Orthodox Christians celebrate Christmas?

Or, for that matter, why not any date on the calendar? Why December 25th in particular?

Are you also celebrating the "non-religious, secular, cultural, non-Jewish" holiday of Passover?

How about the "non-religious, secular, cultural, non-Muslim" holiday of Ramadan?

BTW, since your dd received non-Christmas presents from her grandparents, do they also celebrate non-Christmas with you, or do they actually celebrate "Christmas"?

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Mon, 04-17-2006 - 2:49pm
Thanks for the input. I should tell you that my twins are now 25 years old. My thoughts are based on what I went through with them and also seeing that a lot of their friends went through similar things. Quick story..... one of my sons friends who grew up with sahm till in the teen years. Well, a couple years ago my son was lecturing at a jail and this friend was an inmate. In for stealing. He was released and a few days later found dead. Now, I am not trying to make it seem like the bonding years are not important ( if I could have I would have spent way more time with them.. they were so CUTE!)but hind sight is 20/20!! Sometimes it seems like once they don't need us for physical care ie: food, supervision etc., we tend to give them too much independence. Just my opinion.
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Mon, 04-17-2006 - 2:51pm
Christianity actually DOES have a monopoly on Christmas. Pagan Europeans who were celebrating Winter Solstice using an indoor tree and mistletoe didn't call it Christmas nor was it in any way a birthday party for Christ. They celebrated Winter Solstice. If you are also celebrating Winter Solstice, and not Christ's birthday, you should call it what the Europeans did...Winter Solstice. Because Christmas, regardless of what traditions it took from Solstice, is a birthday party for Christ. If that's not what you're celebrating, don't call it Christmas.
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Mon, 04-17-2006 - 3:10pm
Nice try at trying to show I ignored what Wikipedia said about the secular significance of the holiday. Won't work ... because I already addressed that.

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