Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful

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Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful
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Sun, 03-19-2006 - 3:09pm

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051101/news_1n1earlyed.html

Very interesting. Particularly the difference in the middle to upper income kids vs low income.

"I personally feel children need the nurture of their parents and the home," she said. "Those early years, that's when they are bonding to their family. That nurturing, only the family can give that."

I tend to agree.

MM, WOHM to B&E, 7.24.03

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Tue, 04-18-2006 - 12:40pm

"You honestly think that words have no accepted meaning"

Generally accepted meanings, yes. Objectively true meanings, no.

"and you can declare that they mean exactly what you say they mean."

Of course not! I can declare only what they mean to me, on a personal, subjective basis.

I am in no positition whatsoever to declare anything wrt objectively true meanings.

Nor is anyone else here, I might add.

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Registered: 01-13-2006
Tue, 04-18-2006 - 12:41pm

"honestly, i disagree and understand now why a gt sort of program is *not* federally mandated the way special ed is."

Again, I disagree.

The price of *any* child not living up to his or her potential, gifted or disabled, is equal.

No child left behind, should mean just that.

*No* child should be left behind, which most definately includes the gifted.

Also, how would you respond to the question below which was posed in the link?

"Would you, in good conscience, ever cut programs for the mentally handicapped? No. And when "gifted" is just the other side of the same coin, how could you, in good conscience, cut that?"

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Registered: 01-13-2006
Tue, 04-18-2006 - 12:42pm

"you should have dropped it over a week ago."

Need I remind you that it was you (not I) who refused to accept a truce here?

Again, as I have often said, I don't see debate as winning vs. losing, as most most people do.

Ultimately, I see it as a means of learning how to agree to disagree.

Must everyone share and uphold the same exact definitions in life? If so, why?

Must Christmas really mean the same exact thing to everyone across the board? If so, why?

What about God, truth, morality, etc.?

What about homeschooling, SAHM, special needs, etc?

If so, why?

Again, I am in no positition whatsoever to declare anything wrt objectively true meanings that seemingly apply to everyone across the board in all situations.

Nor is anyone else here, I might add.

Could someone please explain why half the board acts / posts as if they ARE in such a position?

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Registered: 01-13-2006
Tue, 04-18-2006 - 12:42pm

"So I agree the learning disabled have real needs while the gifted will certainly thrive without any intervention."

This is a very common myth.

However, it is not only false but misleading as well.

BTW, here's a link for you:

http://ericec.org/fact/myths.html

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Registered: 01-13-2006
Tue, 04-18-2006 - 12:42pm

"I know several people who celebrate Christmas in a non-secular way and it is annoying."

Why?

Isn't everyone entitled to celebrate Christmas as they see fit?

Even non Christians? If not, why?

"Christmas is a time for Christians to celebrate the birth of Christ."

Why do you think that Christmas belongs only to Christians? Please cite?

"My family and I take it seriously."

My family and I take it seriously too.

Is it really so difficult to acknowledge the seriousness of both the secular and cultural aspects as well as non secular and religious aspects?

"and it is insulting when people celebrate a holiday b/c it is mainstream to do so."

And it is equally insulting when people try to claim a monopoly on such holidays.

"It is mocking someone's religion."

Only if someone thinks religion = a monopoly on holidays, God, truth, morality, etc.

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Tue, 04-18-2006 - 12:42pm

I was thinking specifically about you when I posted the GATE thread.

This woman's son is gifted - but has an attention problem. Thus, the knitting.

Her daughter has some kind of perfectionism thing (I think Donna's son is like this, too, from something she posted about him) - she won't participate till she's 100% sure she has it right. She tests as slow, when she isn't, she's actually way ahead. This poor woman (the mom) is all over the education map LOL. (she is frazzled, too!)

I think in general, the idea of spending funds on honing gifted children's education - is thought of being like the idea of helping wealthy people financially. Absolutely unncessary since they are already ahead of the game.

It seems, at least based on the little I'm gleaning from friends - that it is slowly getting a little visibility and momentum. It's a matter of trying to effect changes on The Borg.

Mondo

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Tue, 04-18-2006 - 12:44pm

"Your father and stepmother left you home alone with no supervision every school day when you were 7 years old?"

Yes.

As well as on days that I was sick.

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Registered: 01-13-2006
Tue, 04-18-2006 - 12:50pm

"Why did you choose the date of December 25th to celebrate your "non-religious, secular, cultural, non-Christian" holiday?"

Why did you choose the date of December 25th to celebrate your religious, non secular, Christian holiday?

After all, you do realize that:

"The celebration of the winter solstice was widespread and popular in northern Europe long before the arrival of Christianity, and the word for Christmas in the Scandinavian languages is still today the pagan jul (=yule)."

Also:

"Since the customs of Christmas celebration largely evolved in northern Europe, many are associated with the Northern Hemisphere winter, the motifs of which are prominent in Christmas decorations and in Santa Claus stories."

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Tue, 04-18-2006 - 1:08pm

Only in passing.

 

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Registered: 01-15-2006
Tue, 04-18-2006 - 1:10pm

i really don't get your argument hk.

if there's a standard level of excellence (nclb for example), there must be an even playing field for all participants/students....the disadvantaged, more at risk child is the disabled child much moreso than the gifted child.

i'm not denying that resources should exist for the accelerated learner but i don't believe that an accelerated learner is left out or not capable of her potential because of a lack of school resources/modifications either.

why do you disagree with that?




Edited 4/18/2006 1:15 pm ET by egd3blessed

 

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