Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful

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Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful
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Sun, 03-19-2006 - 3:09pm

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051101/news_1n1earlyed.html

Very interesting. Particularly the difference in the middle to upper income kids vs low income.

"I personally feel children need the nurture of their parents and the home," she said. "Those early years, that's when they are bonding to their family. That nurturing, only the family can give that."

I tend to agree.

MM, WOHM to B&E, 7.24.03

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 12:21pm
Nope, what you actually are is caught in a Freudian slip. You described a range of mental abilities divided into 3 categories. For the mid-range and high-range you used non-insulting descriptives. For the low-range you used an insult. It's revealing, that's all.
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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 12:23pm
OK, now I am really confused!!! She thought I was dumber than an inanimate object with men's pants draped over them that has the power to impregnate people???? Maybe Suzy could draw me a Venn diagram....
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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 12:25pm
Sometimes the way that somebody chooses to interpret something is more revealing than the original text.
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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 12:29pm
True. I choose to interpret "dumber than a stump" as an insult, when it's used to describe kids who fit into neither the average nor the gifted category. You may think it's just a cute variation on a saying your mother used to use, but I'm more familiar with the way it is used as an insult. You could have said "lower IQ", "mentally handicapped" or any number of terms that are perhaps too PC for your taste. That I chose to interpret "dumber than a stump" as an insulting way of describing those with low IQ reveals that I'm pretty sensitive to them being insulted.
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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 12:36pm
No, see, there's "dumber than a stump" and then there's low I.Q. and sometimes they overlap and sometimes they don't. For instance, my own son, who does not have a low I.Q., consistently under-performs in a couple of his classes because he's just not interested in them. He falls into one category but not the other. Should I do a Venn diagram, or would that be talking down to you? I get so confused.
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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 12:53pm

The choice to move from the public school arena to the private school was not an easy choice nor an inexpensive one by any means and not just in terms of money.

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 12:55pm

So you are saying those gifted students would thrive without any intervention?

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 12:55pm

Why didn't you just use the term "low IQ" in your post? You provided three terms describing cognitive abilities. The only term you provided for those with less than average was "dumber than a stump". Obviously now you're trying to pass it off as a joke, but it looks a lot more like your true feelings that you didn't think to edit into more PC terms.

edited to add; if you actually were the parent of somebody with a lower than average IQ, you would never dream of using such a hateful, hurtful insult- even as a joke.




Edited 4/19/2006 12:59 pm ET by susannahk2000
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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 1:07pm

I'm not sure what you mean about me taking this personally. I feel passionately about the topic and I get agitated about the stuff that gets posted here. When was the last time I was posting about the specific situations regarding my own children and their educations? I thought I had stopped doing that. (You shouldn't know anything about what my children have done this entire school year because I haven't posted that on this board. You can correct me if I'm mistaken.)

You are the one who is making this personal, I think. I am just trying to correct the stuff I see being posted about gifted children, to counteract the misinformation. I didn't say anything about my child's twice exceptionalness. I don't even have a child with a learning disability! I admitted I don't know a whole lot about 2E, primarily because I tend to use my time to research the stuff that actually pertains to my life, and 2E doesn't. But I know when someone says that gifted children can't have learning disabilities, they are wrong, that much I do know.

I must be using a pedantic tone because I am so frustrated with the way you say you are familiar with the topic (giftedness and gifted education) and then you turn around and spout off something that is untrue about giftedness. I can't decide if you were exagerating when you said you've done your research or if you are just being a total troll about all of this. IF you've investigated giftedness, you would have never written that stuff about gifted children thriving regardless of intervention. Unless you are getting a charge out of poking my hot button and don't really mean what you write (which means you are a troll.) It is similar to your position on homeschooling. I was trying to educate you about how some parents in the gifted community (especially those with highly to profoundly gifted children) have embraced homeschooling and all you could do was obsess on how sitting through a long, boring day at school was good for kids and how your dh survived it so it must be perfectly okay. I wasn't convinced that you understood the educational needs of the gifted when you so heartily rejected everything about homeschooling without consideration. You made it clear that your mind was firmly shut. I guess that is what I take personally, which I can admit is a pretty silly thing to do.

"Regardless, I disagree entirely with your approach. If I had a child with as serious a learning disability as you described above to Mondomom, any hopes or dreams I had of getting my child accepted into a gifted program would rightly scatter to the four winds. My only concern would be to get the correct therapies and treatment for such a serious learning disability. You disagree. Your and my approach yield the same result ~ no gifted program."

What approach do you disagree with, exactly? Which of my children has a serious learning disability? What do you mean by getting correct therapies and treatment? For what? How can I disagree with your notion that I should get therapies and treatment when I don't even know why I'm seeking those? Is it possible you've confused me and my child with someone else?

"Apparently, the decision-makers in your school's gifted program are being honest with you that they cannot possibly educate your gifted child who has a serious learning disability." Once again, I don't know what you are talking about. No serious learning disability here. No decision maker at my school has told us that they cannot possibly educate my child or children. Where do you get this stuff? Why are you taking my comments concerning the attitudes and policies about gifted education and assuming that I am actually living each and every problem myself?

As to the question I didn't answer, I didn't have time to answer it. Since I don't have the situation of a gifted child with a learning disability where the child is not benefiting from the gifted program, I didn't have a stock answer to provide and I didn't have time to really consider what I'd want to have done if that were my situation. I really think that kind of question would be better answered by someone in the thick of it. I'm not trying to avoid the question but I'd need time to really think it through and give a thoughtful answer. I don't have the background in that topic that I'd want in order to answer the question. I do realize that school districts have limitations and limited resources so if you are asking do I think that a school district should always give every student's parent exactly what they want, my answer is of course not.

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 1:46pm

fwiw aren't a lot of very *bright* kids on 504 plans too because of conditions like add/adhd? i have so learned that my child's success is not about the school at all, but rather her/his own willingness, efforts and determination of said standard.

and like you said, an iep is merely a tool...the teachers,school are too imo.

 

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