Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful

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Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful
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Sun, 03-19-2006 - 3:09pm

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051101/news_1n1earlyed.html

Very interesting. Particularly the difference in the middle to upper income kids vs low income.

"I personally feel children need the nurture of their parents and the home," she said. "Those early years, that's when they are bonding to their family. That nurturing, only the family can give that."

I tend to agree.

MM, WOHM to B&E, 7.24.03

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 1:50pm
You really have no clue in the world what I would or would not do if I had a child of lower than average I.Q. If you somehow need to think that I hold people of lower than average I.Q. in contempt (or that I think that everybody who has a higher-than-average I.Q. is a "genius") have at it. Ever heard of "hyperbole?"
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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 2:01pm

Whether it's a privilege depends on how you define that term, I suppose. One way would be that some can't afford it even if they're willing to stay involved with their kids' schooling. But whether it's a privilege or not, some kids are way hard to educate. My ODD is pretty much self maintaining wrt school, but not my YDD.

One aspect of solid special needs programs in schools that's often overlooked is the consultation that's available to regular classroom teachers to help them with the kids who aren't eligible for help under Ch. 766 but who need individualization to help them meet their potential. Of course, that only works if there are: 1) adequate special needs support; 2) staff development for regular teachers and SPED teachers in teaming for *all* students to succeed; and 3) administrative support to foster that kind of culture and help with the details, i.e. common planning time. In some schools, SPED teachers and regular teachers work separately.

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ITA, but in Massachusetts there has been more of an effort to use special educators in consulting and co-teaching roles to support that group below the middle. GT education, OTOH, remains a black hole in most places in my state. ITA, public schools need major revamping for several different groups. I just read in my NYT this morning that according to one researcher, fewer than half of black and Latino boys are currently graduating from HS nationally.

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 2:06pm
LOL! I'm pretty sure she knew what object had the power to impregnate people, even if you at that tender age did not. It's probably for the best that you were more innocent than she gave you credit for. I hope it's the same with my dd's...
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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 2:08pm

I see we've thankfully taken our happy pill today. Good to see you in a better mood.

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Your first paragraph *yesterday* shows me that *yesterday* you were taking this all way too personally:

You yesterday: <>

But I am glad to see that you have *today* retracted all of that anger.

You: <>

Me: *Yesterday* you posted to Mondomom that your child had a serious learning disability: (post #1706): <> Mondomom posted to you that her gifted child and knitting thread was intended for your particular situation, that she thought "specifically" about you when posting about the gifted child with the attention problem.

Also, you have the need to parse the information about the truth about your children on this topic, so I suspect there's more to the story. And I know from past posts, you were dissatisfied with the non-responsiveness of your school to your oldest son's situation.

Anyway, today your child does not have a learning disability. I am very, very glad to hear that because it must not be an easy road.

Moving on. <>

Why in the world would anything anyone on a debate board say "frustrate" you? How many years have you been here? I can't imagine why you would take this all so personally. It's a debate board ~ it is set up for disagreement.

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I LIVE with genius! You and I have discussed that my husband has a genius IQ, and that it "runs" in the male line of his family. Thus, four men with genius IQs whom I know very well and ~ stick with me now ~ did not receive any intervention whatsover. In fact, they had quite a few obstacles. They have all thrived and become great successes in their personal and professional lives. Einstein, Da Vinci, Michelangelo all did quite well even before the dawn of the illustrious Gifted program. LOL.

I know from firsthand observation and experience, in addition to research and speaking with our teachers/schools. You take your info from internet message boards and inflammatory books like "Genius Denied" and "Losing our Minds." Who do you think gets an accurate picture?

<> You're wrong. That was not I who posted that. You've really built up an arsenal of personal anger toward me and you should probably think about the reason for that.

I have said here that I researched our local advanced learner program, my DD has excelled in school beyond our wildest imaginings, and DH and I are thrilled with the responsiveness of her teacher specifically and the administration too. My experience with our school's gifted committee and yours are opposite as I am thrilled with their aid and guidance. Perhaps that explains your pedantic objective and hostility toward me. I don't know. But I'm glad that for *today* at least, you've calmed down a bit.

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 2:08pm
Some might, but many others, no. Still, IMO there's a big difference between being bored in school versus not being able to figure a tip, understand the Pledge of Allegiance, or read a train schedule. Those are some of the things special education students are up against.
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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 2:10pm

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You betcha. ADHD, learning disabilities, Asperger's, sensory integration delay, Nonverbal Learning Disorder... lots of different handicaps that don't necessarily affect intelligence as measured through IQ testing.

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 2:11pm
Were you exaggerating and specifically thinking of your own children in a humorous way? If so, I think that would clear things up.
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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 2:17pm

I agree that there is a difference, even a big difference.

PumpkinAngel

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 2:23pm

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Yes, it is. But support for education is so crappy in this country that different interest groups end up fighting over crumbs. In the rank order of things, including girls was the first big breakthrough, then minorities, then the handicapped. Who knows when the gifted will ever get their due?

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Yes, and not even them. How else to explain half of all the minority boys not even getting their HS diplomas? They can't all be that needy.


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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 2:47pm

I agree and you are right, not even many of the middle/average children are getting their needs met.


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