Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful

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Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful
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Sun, 03-19-2006 - 3:09pm

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051101/news_1n1earlyed.html

Very interesting. Particularly the difference in the middle to upper income kids vs low income.

"I personally feel children need the nurture of their parents and the home," she said. "Those early years, that's when they are bonding to their family. That nurturing, only the family can give that."

I tend to agree.

MM, WOHM to B&E, 7.24.03

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:01pm
No, I was saying, through hyperbole, that no matter whether the kid is at the very top OR the very bottom of any kind of objective scale, the kid deserves to be educated to his or her full potential. Evidently thinking that every child, no matter what, deserves the best education possible is "revealing" of something negative about me to Susannah.
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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:11pm

"i really don't get your argument hk."

So you are in favor of certain sets of needs being met, while others go ignored?

"if there's a standard level of excellence (nclb for example), there must be an even playing field for all participants/students....the disadvantaged, more at risk child is the disabled child much moreso than the gifted child."

What about the children who are harmed, ignored, left out, put at a disadvantage, etc, due to nclb standards? Don't their needs count? Don't they deserve an appropriate education as well?

"i'm not denying that resources should exist for the accelerated learner but i don't believe that an accelerated learner is left out or not capable of her potential because of a lack of school resources/modifications either."

Again, what about the children who are harmed, ignored, left out, put at a disadvantage, etc, due to nclb standards? Don't their needs count? Don't they deserve an appropriate education as well?

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:11pm

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"Please cite."

Sure, I'd be happy to.

Here are some links as well as pertinent excerpts from each.

http://www.biblequestions.org/archives/BQAR092.htm

"The scriptures say nothing of Christmas and Easter. They are post-apostolic; hence, unauthorized by God’s word. Christmas and Easter owe their beginning to man, not God."

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/holidays2.htm

"It is beyond doubt that Christmas was originally a pagan festival. The time of the year and the ceremonies with which it is still celebrated, prove its origin."

"The Bible clearly tells us what God considers the memorial of Christ's death and resurrection. It is NOT the pagan celebration of Easter, in honor of the pagan god, Ishtar. It is BAPTISM:"

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

"There is no Biblical warrant, precedent, nor precept for remembrance of the day of Christ's birth as a day of special religious celebration."

"The fact of the matter is this -- the early church did not celebrate Christ's birth, but such celebration only came into the church with the "Christianization" of pagan rites."

http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract3.html

"The truth is that all of the customs of Christmas pre-date the birth of Jesus Christ, and a study of this would reveal that Christmas in our day is a collection of traditions and practices taken from many cultures and nations."

http://www.thercg.org/books/ttooe.html

"If Easter is not found in the Bible, then where did it come from? The vast majority of ecclesiastical and secular historians agree that the name of Easter and the traditions surrounding it are deeply rooted in pagan religion."

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:12pm

"Do you have Santa Clause at your house? Like it or not, Santa Clause is inexorably intertwined with Christmas. Practicing the tradition of Santa Clause is secular, but I don't know anyone who does it without calling the holiday "Christmas"."

Yes :)

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:12pm

"Is time children spend being "unschooled" free time IYO?"

No.

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:13pm

"Of course you're free to believe what you want about meanings of words or the nature of debate. But please don't insult others when they do the same."

Making a claim and supporting it, which I have consistently done here is very different from:

1. Making a claim and failing to support it.

(i.e. your claim that homeschooling = no criteria / parenting / family day care.)

2. Making statements and/or claims that are not consistent with one another.

(i.e. First, you stated that your children acquire their education through public school.

6 posts later, you claim that your kids are homeschooled and that homeschooling is their primary education.)

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:13pm

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"Because if you never or quite rarely play with friends in your free time, you are probably not developing normally, socially."

I agree.

However, free time doesn't always = playing with friends.

Often, yes. But always, no.

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:14pm

"See, what people do in debates, if they want to communicate and learn, generally, is to work off some commonly accepted definition of common terms and go from there."

So, let's go from there, shall we?

Do "commonly accepted definitions of common terms" = objectively true definitions /
meanings for everyone in all situations across the board?

If you really want to communicate and learn, answer the question above, and then we'll talk.

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:16pm

"You, by refusing to acknowledge the commonly accepted definitions of "homeschooling," "Christmas," and I don't know what else, and insisting on your aberrant, personal and subjective definitions, are making true communication impossible,"

Actually, what is making true communication impossible, is the mythological belief that:

Commonly accepted definitions = objectively true definitions/meanings for everyone in all situations across the board.

I certainly don't ascribe to a belief system in which my personal, subjective definitions = objectively true definitions/meanings for everyone in all situations across the board.

Can you say the same lois?

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:16pm

"Instead of engaging in dialogue, you are holed up there in your Fortress of Alternate Reality,"

Fortress of Alternate Reality?

Do you mean my belief that:

"Commonly accepted definitions" do *not* = objectively true definitions/meanings for everyone in all situations across the board.

Perhaps, it is you, who are holed up there in your Fortress of Mythological Objective Reality.

"throwing down missives to the rest of us."

Missives?

Do you mean my thoughts wrt my own, personal, subjective definitions that apply only to me in my own, personal, subjective situation?

Honestly lois, the only ones "throwing down missives to the rest of us" are you and others who believe that the Fortress of Mythological Objective Reality is the one, and only one, right, objectively correct way for everyone in all situations across the board.

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