Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful

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Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful
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Sun, 03-19-2006 - 3:09pm

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051101/news_1n1earlyed.html

Very interesting. Particularly the difference in the middle to upper income kids vs low income.

"I personally feel children need the nurture of their parents and the home," she said. "Those early years, that's when they are bonding to their family. That nurturing, only the family can give that."

I tend to agree.

MM, WOHM to B&E, 7.24.03

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:17pm

"who has learned that the word "why" generally gets adults going for a long time"

Have you ever asked "why" lois?

Why things are the way they are?

Why you believe what you believe?

Why others beleive what they believe?

What truth is?

What morality is?

Where the origin of truth lies?

Where the origin of morality lies?

Or did you stop asking "why" a long time ago?

Do you really think you have all the answers?

Where did you get all the answers lois?

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Registered: 01-13-2006
Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:17pm

"Of course, with the three year old, the goal isn't really finding out "why"

Actually, for this three year old, finding out "why" *is* in fact the goal.

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:17pm

"As adults, the two of us consider ourselves agnostic and are raising our children without any kind of religious affiliation at all."

This is very similar to our situation.

"We celebrate a secular Christmas (although we don't really promote Santa, either) and Easter."

As do we.

"The names do not denote Christian celebrations to us, but have been adopted out of long tradition."

Same here.

"The calendar calls it Christmas. The media calls it Christmas. I grew up calling it Christmas, and thus I continue to call it Christmas out of habit. I mean no disrespect to Christians by calling it Christmas; not sharing their beliefs in no way means I mock them."

Very well said!

"Life is more pleasant when we embrace each other's differences instead of inspecting them for hidden insult."

Again, very well said carriem!

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Registered: 01-15-2006
Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:32pm
maybe you touched a nerve that is still pretty much alive and well in the world of sped lois.....there are plenty that still sit under the cloud and insults of 'dumb','stupid kid' because of many who still interpret it that way. and that's sad but still very real.

 

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:35pm
You know, if there weren't about a thousand posts in this thread alone pointing out that there are commonly accepted definitions of words to which everyone except you is willing to adhere, I might be tempted to see your offer as sincere. No one here, as far as I can tell, has ever said that "commonly accepted definitions of common terms" = objectively true definitions / meanings for everyone in all situations across the board. Common definitions are and cultural social conventions that allow communication.
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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:39pm
As far as I can tell, you are the only person on the board who believes that anyone holds this "mythological belief." You have mistakenly projected a system of thought onto people who don't seem to hold it. No, I certainly don't believe that my personal subjective definitions are universally applicable to all situations. I believe in very few absolutes and seldom use "always" or "never," "none" or "all."
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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:39pm

I'm completely out of happy pills so you've guessed wrong, but I'm glad that you are so concerned about my moods and that the one I'm in today pleases you. Showing compassion towards others is a move in the right direction. You read my tone wrong yesterday. You took my Venn diagram post as a big insult and it wasn't meant that way at all. I was clarifying what I meant by mutually exclusive and I was doing it with a big sigh. I do that a lot around here. Kinda like I explain everyday to my kids why they need to get strapped into their car seats. For the hundredth time. I thought I was being patient in explaining to you what I meant by mutually exclusive and you turned it around to make it look like I was incapable of using the term properly. I thought I was taking the high road. I thought you WANTED me to clarify. And as you can see, I prefer more words over fewer words, I can't really help that. I'm a worn-out overly verbose mother so you'll have to forgive me if I can't always irradicate the sigh from my not-so-pithy posts.

The whole paragraph that starts with "Are you paying attention," isn't anger at all. It is me musing out loud, trying to figure out what your deal is. I'm asking you are you disagreeing with me because of our history or do you really disagree with the findings I've reported that I've gathered in my learning about giftedness and gifted ed? That's all. I'm not angry. I really want to know. You've been accused of being a troll before and I guess in my own crazy way, I was asking if you are just trolling around. Which I can see is a pretty stupid thing to ask because if you are a troll, you certainly aren't going to come clean and tell me. But call me Pollyanna because I thought it was a good idea to give you the chance to deny or fess up to your trollish ways. I've been delusional before. (Maybe I watched too much Perry Mason as a child?)

I never stated that my child has a serious learning disability. I said he has asynchronistic fine motor development. His fine motor skills are delayed compared to his cognitive development. It means his handwriting is atrocious and that it is highly unlikely he will be a neurosurgeon one day. That's all. It is not a learning disability. I've never had any issues with the local school regarding any learning disability.

You're right that I shouldn't be frustrated by what is posted here. I shouldn't care that people are reading that gifted kids don't need anything that isn't already offered. That gifted kids are going to turn out fine no matter what. It's just a stupid message board after all. It doesn't really indicate how people in other parts of the country feel about various topics and how they will want to vote (or work toward) to change or not change educational policy and its funding. (That's me being sarcastic.) And you shouldn't be frustrated when people post negative and incorrect information about the Catholic church. You shouldn't be frustrated when people post negative and what you think is incorrect information about your favored political party. If you don't get frustrated by what is posted here on occasion, then I guess this board doesn't really have the effect on you that it has on me. It makes me think. It makes my question why I believe what I believe.

You live with genius. I get that. He didn't need anything special. I get that. He turned out fabulous. I get that. But as I was discussing with a girlfriend yesterday at the park, there was a time when women washed clothes by hand and the clothes looked just as clean. Should we go back to doing things like that even though we now have a better way? We know a lot more about giftedness now. Why not work with what we know? Your dh may have survived his education and gone on to do fabulous things but how many super smart kids fell through the cracks? Can we know for sure that every "genius" child out there born around the same time as your dh found a way to suck it up and survive his or her education and went on to be as fabulous as your dh? You need to watch out or you'll start sounding like Dana Carvey on SNL when he used to do his crotchedy old man schtick: "When I was a kid you sat in school and were never challenged and were never allowed to learn anything new and that's the way it was and we liked it!"

And please stop telling me what my experiences with the local gifted program coordinator have been. I did once give dribs and drabs of details but you really don't know what I've been doing with my children's educations, so speculating that I have this horrible relationship with everyone at school and that I've failed miserably to work effectively with the school system and the gifted program is not so wise on your part. I think it is great that you are satisfied with the education your child is receiving. But I'm a little further down the road than you are and I can't help but be concerned that all of your delight and hype you reserve for your school situation could change in a heartbeat. Sometimes you are only one teacher away from having a completely different attitude. (I think the collective board experience will bear that out.) My friend at the park wants to print out your posts and send them to you in four or five years and see what you think then. That idea amuses me.

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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:41pm
Actually, your characterization of what you believe to be the epistemological foundation of everyone else's understanding of reality seems to be one of the cornerstones of your fortress.
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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:42pm
YES!! You got it exactly.
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Wed, 04-19-2006 - 3:45pm

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Already answered. My criteria or lack thereof are as valid as yours.

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