Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful

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Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful
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Sun, 03-19-2006 - 3:09pm

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051101/news_1n1earlyed.html

Very interesting. Particularly the difference in the middle to upper income kids vs low income.

"I personally feel children need the nurture of their parents and the home," she said. "Those early years, that's when they are bonding to their family. That nurturing, only the family can give that."

I tend to agree.

MM, WOHM to B&E, 7.24.03

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Thu, 04-20-2006 - 3:32pm

"Otoh, each and ever school has a ft special ed teacher to get those struggling caught up with the majority. Communities are required to provide extra financial support for any student deemed to be struggling for whatever reason, even if that means assigning a personal ft aide for 1 student (happened in ds's class with one student)."

At my dd's school, there are 9 ft special ed teachers vs. one GT teacher who is only there on Thursdays and Fridays as she also works at two other schools (Mon./Tues. at one and Wed. at another).

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Thu, 04-20-2006 - 3:33pm

"The beef debbie and I and several others had with hk is not simply that she doesn't observe the religious aspects of major Christian holidays."

And my beef is with those who think Christianity has some sort of monopoly on Christmas, Easter, and even God, truth, and morality for that matter.

"Many people don't, for many reasons."

That is correct.

"In another thread, hk made a number of inflammatory comments about what a barbaric and guilt-mongering religion Christianity is."

Also correct. And? Ever heard of freedom of speech?

"In this thread, after hk let it slip that she celebrates Christmas, I called on her on the inherent inconsistency of celebrating a major holiday of a religion she actively disapproves of."

Let it slip? Inherent inconsistency?

"Since then, she has insisted ad nauseam that Christmas and Easter are not primarily defined and observed as religious holidays."

That is correct.

Christmas and Easter are not not primarily defined and observed as religious holidays.

They are defined and observed as *both* religious, non secular holidays *as well as* non religious, secular holidays.

Neither Christians, nor non Christians have a patent on Christmas and Easter.

These holidays belong to everyone.

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Thu, 04-20-2006 - 3:33pm

"In the USA, most kids with "alternative learning styles" are underserved, and it's common for there to be nothing at all within public education for GT kids."

Too true Sabina.

"But by and large, GT kids are in a much better position than special needs kids to benefit from resources outside the public system."

First of all, GT kids are special needs kids too.

Secondly, when you say GT kids, do you mean gifted and talented kids or gifted in general?

Thirdly, "resources outside the public system" is fairly vague.

For instance, I would agree that GT kids are in a better positition to benefit from resources outside the public system, as far as everyday, regular programs are concerned.

Similarly, I also agree that GT kids are in a better position to benefit from resources that address their artisitic needs (such as art and music classes/lessons).

However, I would say that there is a considerable lack of resources outside the PS that specifically address the academic needs of the GT child.

Therefore, seeing as there is basically a lack of specific resources from within and without, wrt GT kids, where exactly are their needs being served?

In our case, dd needs are served at home. Is this good enough? Are dh and I are doing the right thing? Honestly, I don't know? All I know is that I can't sit around and do nothing.

I must say that have my concerns though, not only for my own child, but for others who clearly have far less to work with. What about them?

Am I making any sense here? Sorry if I'm rambling.

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Thu, 04-20-2006 - 3:35pm

"You know, if there weren't about a thousand posts in this thread alone pointing out that there are commonly accepted definitions of words to which everyone except you is willing to adhere,"

As far as I can see, unless something is objectively true, it is basically up for debate.

"I might be tempted to see your offer as sincere."

What about the other dozen or so times I have made the same argument wrt subjective vs. objective definitions/meanings/opinions?

"No one here, as far as I can tell, has ever said that "commonly accepted definitions of common terms" = objectively true definitions / meanings for everyone in all situations across the board."

Are you suggesting that "commonly accepted definitions" in and of themselves are not up for debate?

"Common definitions are and cultural social conventions that allow communication."

And at times, they are hindrances which make communication impossible.

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Thu, 04-20-2006 - 3:36pm

"As far as I can tell, you are the only person on the board who believes that anyone holds this "mythological belief. You have mistakenly projected a system of thought onto people who don't seem to hold it."

Please answer the following questions with a yes or a no, lois.

Does Christianity have a monopoly on Christmas, Easter, God, Truth, morality, etc?

Does Christianity = objective truth and morality?

"No, I certainly don't believe that my personal subjective definitions are universally applicable to all situations."

Answer the above questions and we'll talk again.

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Thu, 04-20-2006 - 3:37pm

"Actually, your characterization of what you believe to be the epistemological foundation of everyone else's understanding of reality seems to be one of the cornerstones of your fortress."

Again, please answer the following questions with a yes or a no, lois.

Does Christianity have a monopoly on Christmas, Easter, God, Truth, morality, etc?

Does Christianity = objective truth and morality?

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Registered: 01-13-2006
Thu, 04-20-2006 - 3:38pm

"Are you serious?"

Yes.

"Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ."

Is the statement "Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ" an objective fact or a subjective opinion?

"That is why it is celebrated."

Is the reason for the celebration an objective fact or a subjective opinion?

"Easter is when Christ rose to heaven."

Again, is the statement "Easter is when Christ rose to heaven" an objective fact or a subjective opinion?

"I celebrate these holidays b/c i believe in them."

Ah, so there is some realization of subjective opinion here.

"People who celebrate Christmas but do not believe in Christ is mocking or making light of the holiday."

Objective fact or subjective opinion?

"It is bad enough that Christmas is sooo commercialized but to have people who do not beleive in Christ celebrating it is insulting."

Objective fact or subjective opinion?

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Thu, 04-20-2006 - 3:38pm

"Easter" and "Christmas" are national public holidays regardless of your religion."

Yes. "Easter" and "Christmas" belong to everyone, not just Christians.

"It is both convenient as well as traditional for us to hold our celebrations on those days."

Absolutely.

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Registered: 01-13-2006
Thu, 04-20-2006 - 3:39pm

"So I have no problem with people celebrating the cultural aspects of Christmas --trees, Santas, Rudolph, turkey, whatever. Have at it. Just don't pretend the day doesn't have, or isn't one of the holiest days of the year for a significant chunk of the population,"

I have no problem with the cultural aspects or the idea that it is a holy day.

As far as I'm concerned both can co-exist quite nicely, as both are valid options.

"and don't pretend that whatever it is that you do is the equivalent of what Christians are doing."

Yes, well this sort of attitude puts quite a damper on the *co-existing quite nicely* scenerio.

"In our home, we tend to completely downplay the cultural aspects of the holidays in favor of marking the religious aspects of the day ."

And in our home, we tend to completely downplay the religious aspects of the day in favor of marking the cultural aspects of the holiday.

Nothing wrong with that. As once again, both are valid options.

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Thu, 04-20-2006 - 3:39pm

"Common definitions are cultural and social conventions that allow communication."

"And at times, they are hindrances which make communication impossible."

Nothing like restating the obvious, hunh?

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