Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful

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Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful
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Sun, 03-19-2006 - 3:09pm

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051101/news_1n1earlyed.html

Very interesting. Particularly the difference in the middle to upper income kids vs low income.

"I personally feel children need the nurture of their parents and the home," she said. "Those early years, that's when they are bonding to their family. That nurturing, only the family can give that."

I tend to agree.

MM, WOHM to B&E, 7.24.03

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Fri, 03-24-2006 - 11:44am

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Fri, 03-24-2006 - 11:46am

"You could just concede that's what kids do and forget about giving it some special label"

Special label??? You mean child-led homeschooling/unschooling activities?

"that implies that you are somehow doing something more than any other thoughtful parent does."

Dh and I certainly don't think we're doing something more than any other thoughtful parents do.

Do you?

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Fri, 03-24-2006 - 11:48am
but the great thing about the 2-4-6 year old set is thiat pretty much anything they are doing is educational. when my 2 year old is sitting on the floor playing blocks or trains i see that as totally educational for him - he is learning. i will admit we only do playdoh during the summer when it can be done outside :)
Jennie
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Fri, 03-24-2006 - 11:54am

"However, length of time does not determine whether or not it is developmentally innappropriate."

Again, that's not what the OP says:

"According to the Stanford and UC study, children who spend more than six hours a day in center-based care outside the home showed poor social skills. It is especially pronounced among middle and upper-income children.

Researchers noted social detriments such as "diminished levels of cooperation, sharing, motivated engagement in classroom tasks and greater aggression."

Likewise, that's not what the NICHD Early Child Care Study says:

"The more time children spend in any of a variety of nonmaternal care arrangements across the first 4.5 years of life, the more externalizing problems and conflict with adults they manifest at 54 months of age and in kindergarten"

"These effects remain, for the most part, even when quality, type, and instability of child care are controlled, as well as when maternal sensitivity and other family background factors are taken into account."

"The data show that as children accumulate more time in care across the infant, toddler, and preschool years, the more externalizing problems and conflict with adults they manifest; and that more time in care not only predicts problem behavior measured on a continuous scale, but at-risk (though not clinical) levels of problem behavior, as well as assertiveness, disobedience and aggression."

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Fri, 03-24-2006 - 11:57am

"1. Long hours (longer than 32 -36 hours per week) does not make a program developmentally inappropriate."

Again, that's not what the OP says:

"According to the Stanford and UC study, children who spend more than six hours a day in center-based care outside the home showed poor social skills. It is especially pronounced among middle and upper-income children.

Researchers noted social detriments such as "diminished levels of cooperation, sharing, motivated engagement in classroom tasks and greater aggression."

Likewise, that's not what the NICHD Early Child Care Study says:

"The more time children spend in any of a variety of nonmaternal care arrangements across the first 4.5 years of life, the more externalizing problems and conflict with adults they manifest at 54 months of age and in kindergarten"

"These effects remain, for the most part, even when quality, type, and instability of child care are controlled, as well as when maternal sensitivity and other family background factors are taken into account."

"The data show that as children accumulate more time in care across the infant, toddler, and preschool years, the more externalizing problems and conflict with adults they manifest; and that more time in care not only predicts problem behavior measured on a continuous scale, but at-risk (though not clinical) levels of problem behavior, as well as assertiveness, disobedience and aggression."

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Fri, 03-24-2006 - 12:02pm

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"Doesn't matter."

In other words, you don't want to answer the question, right? Very telling btw.

"It wasn't a developmentally inappropriate program. No matter how many hours they were there."

Really??? No matter how many hours they were there. Have you read the OP?


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Fri, 03-24-2006 - 12:08pm
no, i dont think you do anything special, i think you just like to give it a label, if not to make yourself feel better then i cant imagine why you would do it - but whatever. i guess i could call it biology 101 when my kids and i go out looking for frogs and digging for worms, i prefer to just call it play, disgusting play, but play none the less. nor do i call it homeschooling/unschooling when my 7 year old writes stories as she does almost daily, it is nothing more than her doing what she wants to do.
Jennie
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Fri, 03-24-2006 - 12:16pm
What you described is not all all how our pg operates. All of the mom's are very hands on. Probably because the children range from newborn (not that he actually particpates, LOL) to 3.5 yrs old. Our pg sessions are not at all about adult interaction. It is possible that as the children grow older, the adult particpation may lessen, but for now, we are all quite happy with adults and children playing together.
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Fri, 03-24-2006 - 12:33pm

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Goody. But that's totally irrelevant since I haven't said that over and over. In fact, I haven't said it even once.

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Fri, 03-24-2006 - 12:35pm

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Do you?>>

Not by what you've described here no.

And nice try at calling those-who-don't-do-as-momofhk thoughtless.

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