Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful

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Long hrs in preschool/daycare harmful
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Sun, 03-19-2006 - 3:09pm

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051101/news_1n1earlyed.html

Very interesting. Particularly the difference in the middle to upper income kids vs low income.

"I personally feel children need the nurture of their parents and the home," she said. "Those early years, that's when they are bonding to their family. That nurturing, only the family can give that."

I tend to agree.

MM, WOHM to B&E, 7.24.03

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Registered: 01-13-2006
Tue, 04-04-2006 - 10:38am

"Not at all. It was just my polite way of saying you are not homeschooling. There's no educational value in the paper projects you've described. Fun? Absolutely, but not educational."

You're certainly welcome to your opinion :)

However, I am of the opinion that such projects are both educational AS WELL AS fun. Clearly, educational activities/projects needn't be boring and mundane, in order to be considered educational.

"Good luck with that in the upper grades, college and grad school. I can't see having the time for turning every high school lesson into some kind of paper project, 3-D puzzle or origami object."

Please cite where I have stated that *every* lesson needs to be a hands on activity?

Or that *every* lesson needs to be a paper project, 3-D puzzle or origami object for that matter?


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Registered: 01-13-2006
Tue, 04-04-2006 - 10:51am

"Does your DD have some type of learning disability?"

No. Why do you ask? Are you of the opinion that children who enjoy kinesthetic learning have some type of learning disability? If so, what exactly is the basis of such an opinion?

BTW, just for the record, she is in the top 1% of her class (according to test scores) and thus qualifies for the gifted and talented program (top 3% are accepted). Also, her G&T teacher specifically suugested that we homeschool dd *in addition to* sending her to public school, which luckily we have been doing for a number of years now.

BTW, here's a excerpt about gifted and talented children from our district's website:

"Gifted and Talented children" are those children identified as having demonstrated potential abilities of high performance capability and needing differentiated or accelerated education or services. For the purpose of this definition, "demonstrated abilities of high performance capability" means those identified students who score in the top three percent (3%) on any national standardized test of intellectual ability. The definition may also include students who excel in one or more of the following areas:

Creative thinking ability
Leadership ability
Visual and performing arts ability
Specific academic ability

"If not, then your efforts could work against you when she gets to the upper grades and does not have the time to turn every little lesson into a fun paper project. Generally, children are expected to learn from books."

Not a problem, as dd is also a very proficient auditory, visual, linguistic, musical, logical-mathematical, and creative learner (in addition to being a bodily-kinestheic learner). You do realize that standarized tests are not administered in a kinesthetic fashion, nor do they test kinesthetic skills, right?

"what you are doing is not educational in nature. Just fun."

Actually, it's both educational AS WELL AS fun.

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Registered: 01-13-2006
Tue, 04-04-2006 - 10:55am

"I believe strongly in play based learning for the youngest kids, an element of play for all, and engagement of all the senses in learning."

I couldn't agree more.

"Hands-on projects, experiential learning, and multisensory approaches have all been recognized as effective tools for most (but not all) learners."

Yes.

"Unfortunately, they can be hard to use in schools because of restrictions on time, space and materials. So, the more we can use them at home, the better."

Absolutely. Indeed, the more we can use them at home, the better.

Very well said sabina!

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Registered: 01-13-2006
Tue, 04-04-2006 - 11:03am

"Na, she is probably talking about your claims last year that your child didn't attend the local school district the required number of days (175) because that 175 became 150 after you took out holidays and such."

Correction: My claim last year was wrt to fact that I couldn't post exactly how many days my dd would be in school until the end of the year? BTW, just for the record, it was 168 days.

The 150 day argument was wrt to my dd attending a alternative private school when she was preschooler. As this school operated on an untraditional school calendar.

Clearly, you are confusing the facts of two different debates.

With that said, back to the ignore list you go.

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Registered: 01-13-2006
Tue, 04-04-2006 - 11:05am

"the only way i could be lying is if you are also lying."

Nope. You were lying. I was/am not.

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Tue, 04-04-2006 - 11:08am
What I find inconsistent in your POV is that while you claim to homeschool your kids, when it comes to preschool-age kids you seem to differentiate sharply between preschool and daycare. I've found that high quality daycare can provide opportunities for learning to rival preschools. If you're homeschooling, then my kids in family day care were homeschooling, too.
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Registered: 01-13-2006
Tue, 04-04-2006 - 11:10am
okay, so it is lying for me to change the meaning of a word to meet my needs but it is not lying when you do the same thing. interesting way of looking at things you have. please explain how what you do with you kid is homeschooling but what i do with mine is not.
Jennie
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Registered: 09-04-1997
Tue, 04-04-2006 - 11:10am

See, she has a dog with four legs and a tail, and she calls the tail a tail. You call the tail a leg. You're not fooling anyone except maybe yourself, and I doubt even that.

I have a kid who is in traditional school plus takes two classes a week through our local homeschool co-op. Most of the other kids there are doing homeschool with a parent plus taking classes through the co-op. They are homeschooling. I am supplementing my child's traditional education with home school classes. I am *not* homeschooling.

I also take the kid on educational field trips and encourage him to follow his own interests and occasionally introduce him to something new I think he would enjoy but I don't call it homeschooling. I call it parenting.

I haven't seen you do *anything* that I don't do or that others don't do. Only you feel the need to slap some grandiose label on it, call it "homeschooling" when it doesn't meet anyone else's definition of what homeschooling is all about. As I have said before, on numerous occasions, you are completely free to assign new nouns to anything you want. It doesn't mean anyone else is going to accept your newly-minted definitions nor does it mean that you are doing anything different than the rest of us.

Logically, either all of us are homeschooling, or none of us are, except those of us whose children aren't also attending a traditional school. Or maybe we all homeschool during the summer. Sort of like those SAHMS with jobs. It's just plain dumb.

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Registered: 04-04-2006
Tue, 04-04-2006 - 11:15am

That's exactly what I'm talking about. And it's nice to know that momofhk still won't give up the ghost when it comes to her embarassing faux pas regarding "instructional days" (even though she said she used to be a teacher, as if anyone really believes that tidbit).

All we need now is some posts by Moon (who's probably too busy running alongside bunchkin's tricycle).

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Registered: 06-27-1998
Tue, 04-04-2006 - 11:16am

Funny, as I recall you didn't mention a single comment about having to wait until the end of the year to count up the number of days.

PumpkinAngel

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