Opt out or left out?

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Mon, 05-13-2013 - 3:31pm

This article says that most SAH moms do so, because they can't afford to work (i.e. couldn't make enough to cover their childcare costs).  Or that their husband's income is in the top 5% of earners in the US.  So SAHMs are at the two extreme ends of income.  This seems to me to be pretty much what we've found through discussions on this board.  Do you think that there should be programs in place to make it easier for SAHMs in the lower income brackets to go back to work?  How could this be accomplished?

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/opt-out-or-left-out-economics-stay-home-moms-1C9881635

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 3:51pm

Everyone on the planet knows that not everyone helps themselves, or is able to help themselves.  No one said that the others don't have to "pay the price" for giving money to your son/daughter/neice who need it.  (So I guess you are confused on that point).  They pay the money to them if they want to and that is the price.  You are the one who assumes that it's all bad for the givers and they are so put upon and upset over having to fork over money so their grandkids can eat, etc.

Yes and many people are moochers in this world and many people are push overs in this world. 

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 4:03pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-size:13px; text-align:left">Everyone on the planet knows that not everyone helps themselves, or is able to help themselves.  No one said that the others don't have to "pay the price" for giving money to your son/daughter/neice who need it.  (So I guess you are confused on that point).  They pay the money to them if they want to and that is the price.  You are the one who assumes that it's all bad for the givers and they are so put upon and upset over having to fork over money so their grandkids can eat, etc.</span></p><p style="text-align:left"><span style="font-size:small"><strong><span style="font-size:x-small"><span>Yes and many people are moochers in this world and many people are push overs in this world. </span></span></strong></span></p>

And?  Nobody denies that.  You are one stuck on only one scenario.  There are also a lot of people who are not moochers and still need some help.  There are a lot of people who love their family and want to (and are financially able to) give them money if their family members needed it.  

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 4:05pm

Spring, I included a direct link to the information that I used. Do you need instructions?

1. Find the original post.

2. Look for the word "Source" located inside the parentheses. 

3. Once located, point your mouse to the word. The blue letters indicate a link.

4. Click your mouse or touchpad to follow the link to the original source. I set the link up in a way that it will open another window, so be prepared to find a new tab in your browser.

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 4:09pm

And?  Nobody denies that.  You are one stuck on only one scenario.  There are also a lot of people who are not moochers and still need some help.  There are a lot of people who love their family and want to (and are financially able to) give them money if their family members needed it.  

Again because my view ARE wide, I know that. It is hard to debate a snip-it of this woman's life. There are too many questions that are unanswered. I know women how are in this same situation. Some who truly can't work because of their dh's hours but dh's who work overtime or 2nd jobs to cover the wife's paycheck she is losing. Some who could work but decide not to and struggle and have others help them. There are many other stories than just these 2 but I have a wide view of different families and what they do after kids.

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 4:12pm

You DO realize that these are OLDER children in this article, right? MOST people are looking to adopt babies and that is why, unfortunately there are so many kids in the foster care system. 

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 4:15pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-size:13px; text-align:left">And?  Nobody denies that.  You are one stuck on only one scenario.  There are also a lot of people who are not moochers and still need some help.  There are a lot of people who love their family and want to (and are financially able to) give them money if their family members needed it.  </span></p><p><span style="font-size:small"><strong><span style="text-align:left">Again because my view ARE wide, I know that. It is hard to debate a snip-it of this woman's life. There are too many questions that are unanswered. I know women how are in this same situation. Some who truly can't work because of their dh's hours but dh's who work overtime or 2nd jobs to cover the wife's paycheck she is losing. Some who could work but decide not to and struggle and have others help them. There are many other stories than just these 2 but I have a wide view of different families and what they do after kids.</span></strong></span></p>

Your wide view is not demonstrated in this thread, as to all your previous posts in this thread.  

“Clearly," said Arthur,"you're an idiot- but you're our kind of idiot. Come on.” 
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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 4:18pm
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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 4:19pm

Your wide view is not demonstrated in this thread, as to all your previous posts in this thread.  

I haven't seen anyone explain what SHOULD be done, have you? I have said about my company offering a discount for daycare. That helps women come back to work. What do you think should be done for SAHM's who want and need to go back to work?

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 4:26pm

Spring said<Again because my view ARE wide,I know that>

Do you mean your views are broad? Because I've never heard that the opposite of narrow-minded was wide-minded, but it does present an unattractive image.

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 4:28pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p>You DO realize that these are OLDER children in this article, right? MOST people are looking to adopt babies and that is why, unfortunately there are so many kids in the foster care system. </p>

You DO realize that some people don't fall on hard times until their children are older, don't you? Someone's financial situation during a pregnancy can change for either better or worse as life moves on.

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