Opt out or left out?

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Opt out or left out?
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Mon, 05-13-2013 - 3:31pm

This article says that most SAH moms do so, because they can't afford to work (i.e. couldn't make enough to cover their childcare costs).  Or that their husband's income is in the top 5% of earners in the US.  So SAHMs are at the two extreme ends of income.  This seems to me to be pretty much what we've found through discussions on this board.  Do you think that there should be programs in place to make it easier for SAHMs in the lower income brackets to go back to work?  How could this be accomplished?

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/opt-out-or-left-out-economics-stay-home-moms-1C9881635

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Registered: 05-13-2009
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:34am

<So you find nothing wrong with tax payers paying for someone who didn't take precautions from getting pregnant when they fully knew they could not afford to do so?>

Taxpayers pay for a lot of thing I don't particularly care for. Since my mortgage is paid off, I don't particularly like subsidizing other people's housing costs. Higher earners get very generous breaks on retirement and 529 savings and charitable giving. Why should other taxpayers subsidize my savings and giving?

I'd much rather subsidize a family's option for flexibility, with more people being part of the workforce than less. Prosperity is more likely in an expanding workforce than a contracting one. More workers, more children are good for the overall economy if one chooses to look beyond what's in it for me in the shortterm..

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:35am

springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:13px; text-align:left">Why on earth would you truly think that about someone else's sex life and contraception?  I don't think there is anything out there that is 100% affective that doesn't involve sterilization.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:small"><strong><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; text-align:left">I never said anything was 100% effective. Even if you don't follow the instructions of sterilization, you CAN get pregnant (know people who have). It can be quite close if used all the time, the correct way all the time. </span></strong></span></p>

So then why do you "truly think" that others just are simply not using it properly?  That is not logical.

PumpkinAngel

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:35am

Ah it's all about you, how sad and small.  But really, simple logic....with more people in the work force and paying taxes, that equals more revenue for the variety of agencies that collect taxes from both the employee and the employer.  More funds go into social security, medicare, state and federal unemployment and possibly federal and state income taxes.  Plus they have more money to spend, that generates sales tax.  Plus needing more services creates more workers and the circle continues.

Why is it sad that I have, and am doing the right things in life? You don't mind that some people take advantage and use YOUR money to sit on their butts all day and just keep having kids? That some people on disability COULD work but don't? 

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Registered: 06-27-1998
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:37am

jamblessedthree wrote:
No spring, There's bcp options out there - if you're stupid enough to not follow the pill as directed just take the morning after thing after sex. That's available for 15 yos now, Our girls should know about this!

Doesn't that go against your beliefs?  Your lack of empathy continues to amaze me each thread.

PumpkinAngel

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:37am

<<We have Universal Pre-K too. It is a lotto and yes, it is a few hour thing too so not very doable with full time working families.>>

Why doesn't your school system value a preschool education for it's students?

They do, that is why they offer this. Does your school offer Universal Pre-K to EVERYONE? How much are your school taxes?

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:40am
"There is subsidized daycare. So many people frown upon that tho, How bad is it? Do you know?" ----------- Bad in what sense? It is the norm in Scandinavia. It means that daycares all conform to fairly high standards and that women participate in the work force in very high numbers.
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Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:40am
springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:13px; text-align:left">Why on earth would you truly think that about someone else's sex life and contraception?  I don't think there is anything out there that is 100% affective that doesn't involve sterilization.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:small"><strong><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; text-align:left">I never said anything was 100% effective. Even if you don't follow the instructions of sterilization, you CAN get pregnant (know people who have). It can be quite close if used all the time, the correct way all the time. </span></strong></span></p>

So then why do you "truly think" that others just are simply not using it properly?  That is not logical.

Why is it not logical? Women are getting pregnant every.single.day who don't plan to. 

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:45am

http://www.statisticbrain.com/birth-control-statistics/

Birth Control StatisticsTotal Number of U.S. Women in their childbearing years62 millionPercent of women who get pregnant while on the pill6 %Percent of people who rely on male condoms that will remain pregnancy free85 %Total percentage of men who use a condom the first time they have sex80%Total percentage of women who use a condom the first time they have sex68%Total percent of U.S. births that are from mothers younger than 1910%Total Number of U.S. women in childbearing years that use some form of contraception62%Among those who don’t, 31% are pregnant, trying to get pregnant, postpartum, sterile or not sexually active. The other 7% take their chances. Among those using contraceptives, here’s what they use:ContraceptivePercent UsedThe Pill28%Sterilization27.1%Condom16.1%Vasectomy9.9%IUD5.5%

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_get_pregnant_while_using_birth_control

Birth control refers to all kinds of contraception.

  • Diaphragms: 14 out of every 100 women will become pregnant
  • Cervical caps: 16 out of every 100 women will become pregnant
  • Leah's shield: 15 out of every 100 women will become pregnant
  • The Combination Pill: 8 out of every 100 women will become pregnant
  • Male condoms: 15 out of every 100 women will become pregnant
  • Female condoms: 21 out of every 100 women will become pregnant
  • Contraceptive Implant: less than one out of every 100 women will become pregnant
  • Contraceptive Patch: 8 out of every 100 women will become pregnant
  • Depo-Provera: 8 out of every 100 women will become pregnant
  • Fertility Awareness: 20 out of every 100 women will become pregnant
  • IUD: less than one out of every 100 women will become pregnant
  • Minipills: 10 out of every 100 women will become pregnant
  • Spermicide: 29 out of every 100 women will become pregnant
  • The Sponge: 16 out of every 100 women will become pregnant
  • Vaginal Ring: 8 out of every 100 women will become pregnant
  • Withdarwal: 27 out of every 100 women will become pregnant
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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:49am

<<Why is it sad that I have, and am doing the right things in life? You don't mind that some people take advantage and use YOUR money to sit on their butts all day and just keep having kids? That some people on disability COULD work but don't? >>

It's sad to be self centered and think, what's my benefit even when there is clearly a benefit.  Your questions have nothing to do with the topic at hand, we are talking about someone who wants to go back to work, did you miss that point somewhere while basking in the glow of what's in it for me?

There are a lot of things that I mind that happen in society, people wanting to go back to work is simply not one of them, so why is it yours?


PumpkinAngel

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:55am

chestnuthooligan wrote:
Taxpayers pay for a lot of thing I don't particularly care for. Since my mortgage is paid off, I don't particularly like subsidizing other people's housing costs. Higher earners get very generous breaks on retirement and 529 savings and charitable giving. Why should other taxpayers subsidize my savings and giving?I'd much rather subsidize a family's option for flexibility, with more people being part of the workforce than less. Prosperity is more likely in an expanding workforce than a contracting one. More workers, more children are good for the overall economy if one chooses to look beyond what's in it for me in the shortterm..

I bet it is especially annoying to subsidize families who roll their consumer credit card debt into their mortgages, and get a bigger mortgage interest tax break.

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