Opt out or left out?

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Mon, 05-13-2013 - 3:31pm

This article says that most SAH moms do so, because they can't afford to work (i.e. couldn't make enough to cover their childcare costs).  Or that their husband's income is in the top 5% of earners in the US.  So SAHMs are at the two extreme ends of income.  This seems to me to be pretty much what we've found through discussions on this board.  Do you think that there should be programs in place to make it easier for SAHMs in the lower income brackets to go back to work?  How could this be accomplished?

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/opt-out-or-left-out-economics-stay-home-moms-1C9881635

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Registered: 05-13-2009
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 1:30pm

<Part-time? Why wouldn't, if she TRULY wanted to go back to work and not live struggling find a full-time job?>

She makes $11 an hour. Whether it's 20hrs or 40hrs, she can not afford child care for an infant and a toddler. It's the math.

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Registered: 06-27-1998
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 1:30pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-size:13px; text-align:left">Yeah. I'm sick and tired of paying higher taxes to subsidize all the people out there who get a mortgage deduction. Why should I have to pay for your inability to pay cash for your house?</span></p><p><span style="font-size:small"><strong><span style="text-align:left">That's the negative thing about owing your home outright <img src="/forums/sites/all/libraries/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-laughing.gif" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" border="0" /></span></strong></span></p>

No, you clearly didn't understand the question or comment and how it relates to your how does it benefit me comment about a different program funded with taxes.  But I think we all get it now, you are pulling out your handy dandy trusty double standard ruler.  Surprise.

PumpkinAngel

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Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 1:31pm

I think she feels sad because your thinking is so narrow, not because you're fortunate enough to live out your life according to a plan.

Nope, my thinking is not narrow. This woman wanted to continue to work but never thought once of what would happen if she did get pregnant (the article does not say if it was an accident (meaning she was using bc and it failed for some reason other than not using it properly) or planned so it is hard to have the debate according to that. It seems that the article is trying to say that low income families can not afford daycare, which is true. Some families plan and space their children out so they CAN afford daycare or to have a SAHM or SAHD. Many are not making a lot of money either but have the common sense to look at resources around them to see if they CAN afford to have one child or another child. You just don't go and have more children and THEN decide, oops..we can't afford it.

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Registered: 06-27-1998
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 1:31pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-size:13px; text-align:left">I rely on my family for support with my kids, I'm very thankful that I have the type of relationship with both my family and my dh's family where we can turn to each other for support of all kinds.  I know that I'm lucky because I know there are numerous families out there that don't have the support of their families.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:small"><strong><span style="text-align:left">What type of support?</span></strong></span></p>

All kinds.

PumpkinAngel

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Registered: 06-27-1998
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 1:33pm

<<I think she feels sad because your thinking is so narrow, not because you're fortunate enough to live out your life according to a plan.

Nope, my thinking is not narrow. This woman wanted to continue to work but never thought once of what would happen if she did get pregnant (the article does not say if it was an accident (meaning she was using bc and it failed for some reason other than not using it properly) or planned so it is hard to have the debate according to that. It seems that the article is trying to say that low income families can not afford daycare, which is true. Some families plan and space their children out so they CAN afford daycare or to have a SAHM or SAHD. Many are not making a lot of money either but have the common sense to look at resources around them to see if they CAN afford to have one child or another child. You just don't go and have more children and THEN decide, oops..we can't afford it.>>

That was so very, very narrow.   

PumpkinAngel

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Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 1:34pm

My outlook is probably skewed because I grew up in a family of six kids and we were just squeaking by. I've worked since I was eleven, and I guess people might say I "suffered" because my parents had so many kids they could barely afford. However, when I think of my five sisters, who are still my best friends in the world, I can't agree I would have been better off with more "things" and fewer siblings. There's not one of them I would trade for the memory of childhood cruises, trips to Disney, or more toys or clothes.

No one, at least as I have read so far, is comparing material things for being a family. I am speaking of everyday things. Food, shelter, clothes, transportation. You don't continue to have children if you can't provide the basics for them. Children should not suffer because of your (in general) mistakes and lack of planning and common sense.

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Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 1:40pm

Spring, what is Universal pre-k, if it's not offered to everyone in the district?  

It is offered to everyone but there is a limited amount of seats available so it goes by a lotto system. The classes are held in certain elementary schools (not all) so there is not enough room for every child who is 4 years old to attend. I am pretty sure it is called the same thing in other districts

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Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 1:43pm
    •   UPK stands for Universal Pre-Kindergarten. It is a grant that is given to a district for the purpose of providing Pre-K only. It cannot be allocated to any other program.

    •   The grant is limited and can only be used on a pre-determined amount of students. State guidelines do not allow for the grant to be used in any other manner.

    •   ParAcipants are chosen through a logery system, to be held in April. Any family who applies will have a number assigned that will be placed in the logery. ALL NUMBERS will be selected. When the spots for the UPK have been drawn, the remaining numbers will be placed on a waiAng list. These families will have the opportunity to enroll in the * tui7on based program if they so choose. (*The availability of the program is conAngent on space in the district.)

    •   The waiAng list remains acAve throughout the year. As students move throughout the program, you may sAll be called to take part in the UPK.

    •   FOR ELIGIBILITY, STUDENTS MUST BE TURNING 4 BY DEC. 1ST, AND NOT ELIGIBLE FOR KINDERGARTEN.

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Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 1:44pm

Well that's a switch, you just said it didn't work for full time wohps, now it works for everyone?  Perhaps if all of those people living in illegal apartments paid their fair share of taxes, those who are living legally would have lower taxes?  It's quite a shame when those who living by their plan and legally have to pay for those who break the law.  

The HOURS do not work for full time people (not all but many)

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Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 1:46pm

What part of daycare costs were more than she was making isn't clear to you?  She wants to return to working in her field, read the article.  It has nothing to do with birth control, disability or anything else that you mentioned.  What is wrong with programs helping people return to work when they want to work?  

I got that but she could have gotten a FULL time job as she was only going to work PART time. What about part time when her dh could watch the kids? Nights? Weekends? It seems she was fine taking hand outs from her family then doing that. 

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