Opt out or left out?

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Mon, 05-13-2013 - 3:31pm

This article says that most SAH moms do so, because they can't afford to work (i.e. couldn't make enough to cover their childcare costs).  Or that their husband's income is in the top 5% of earners in the US.  So SAHMs are at the two extreme ends of income.  This seems to me to be pretty much what we've found through discussions on this board.  Do you think that there should be programs in place to make it easier for SAHMs in the lower income brackets to go back to work?  How could this be accomplished?

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/opt-out-or-left-out-economics-stay-home-moms-1C9881635

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 1:14pm

Having a lotto based part time program doesn't really show support for prek, imo.  Yes and none of your business.  The prek (full, part time and special ed) is fee based with exceptions of course for tutition.

It seems to work for everyone and our taxes are quite high now (going up higher to accomodate these type of things). 

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 12:58pm
My outlook is probably skewed because I grew up in a family of six kids and we were just squeaking by. I've worked since I was eleven, and I guess people might say I "suffered" because my parents had so many kids they could barely afford. However, when I think of my five sisters, who are still my best friends in the world, I can't agree I would have been better off with more "things" and fewer siblings. There's not one of them I would trade for the memory of childhood cruises, trips to Disney, or more toys or clothes.
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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 12:56pm
My outlook is probably skewed because I grew up in a family of six kids and we were just squeaking by. I've worked since I was eleven, and I guess people might say I "suffered" because my parents had so many kids they could barely afford. However, when I think of my five sisters, who are still my best friends in the world, I can't agree I would have been better off with more "things" and fewer siblings. There's not one of them I would trade for the memory of childhood cruises, trips to Disney, or more toys or clothes.
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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 12:55pm

jamblessedthree wrote:
I'd be 100% on board if the federal government mandated preschool. Isn't Obama and the department of ed exploring that? My kids went to a church based preschool and they did have sliding scales for those that needed it, And yes there's headstart. There are poor private school families too bord.

Headstart...great program.  Funding was just drastically, 50%.  It's a federal program, so probably the rest of the country also.

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 12:48pm

rollmops2009 wrote:
"There is subsidized daycare. So many people frown upon that tho, How bad is it? Do you know?" ----------- Bad in what sense? It is the norm in Scandinavia. It means that daycares all conform to fairly high standards and that women participate in the work force in very high numbers.

Oh c'mon Roll, you know that Scandanavia is some kind of liberal socialist utopia where everyone is a slave to the state to help subsidize those who don't deserve the good life. Nevermind the high rates of education, health, and a variety other areas of measurable quality of life issues. 

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 12:43pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-size:13px; text-align:left">Ah it's all about you, how sad and small.  But really, simple logic....with more people in the work force and paying taxes, that equals more revenue for the variety of agencies that collect taxes from both the employee and the employer.  More funds go into social security, medicare, state and federal unemployment and possibly federal and state income taxes.  Plus they have more money to spend, that generates sales tax.  Plus needing more services creates more workers and the circle continues.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:small"><strong><span style="text-align:left">Why is it sad that I have, and am doing the right things in life? You don't mind that some people take advantage and use YOUR money to sit on their butts all day and just keep having kids? That some people on disability COULD work but don't? </span></strong></span></p>

I think she feels sad because your thinking is so narrow, not because you're fortunate enough to live out your life according to a plan.

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 12:39pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p>I read the article and IMO, you need to have a better plan in life when having children. I understand that not everyone is a planner but there are many ways to avoid pregnancy so you can make sure that either your dh makes enough money to support the family or that you can afford daycare on the mother's salary. This woman has to rely on her family for support and that is just not right, IMO. THEY did not decide to have another child, the couple did and maybe for awhile, the dh will have to work 2 jobs until they get themselves on their feet and the kids are in school for her to go back to work. The kids suffer in this situation as the older child is not able to go to preschool anymore. </p>

I rely on my family for support with my kids, I'm very thankful that I have the type of relationship with both my family and my dh's family where we can turn to each other for support of all kinds.  I know that I'm lucky because I know there are numerous families out there that don't have the support of their families.

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 12:38pm

Yeah. I'm sick and tired of paying higher taxes to subsidize all the people out there who get a mortgage deduction. Why should I have to pay for your inability to pay cash for your house?

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 12:32pm

rollmops2009 wrote:
<p>"<span>Do you plan to buy plan B pills for your girls, then? Or is that option just for the little people?" -------- As far as I know, Catholics can't use most birth control (all?). So I assume that they have to stay celibate if they are done having kids, but still fertile.</span></p>

Good point.

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 12:28pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-size:13px; text-align:left">I bet it is especially annoying to subsidize families who roll their consumer credit card debt into their mortgages, and get a bigger mortgage interest tax break.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:small"><strong><span style="text-align:left">You do realize that people refinance for many different reasons, right, not for just consumer credit card debt? What would be the difference then?</span></strong></span></p>

Yea, but as you said, what is my benefit for someone getting a credit for their mortgage interest?  Seeing the benefit for more people in the working force is crystal clear, but for mortgage interest?

PumpkinAngel

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