Opt out or left out?

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Mon, 05-13-2013 - 3:31pm

This article says that most SAH moms do so, because they can't afford to work (i.e. couldn't make enough to cover their childcare costs).  Or that their husband's income is in the top 5% of earners in the US.  So SAHMs are at the two extreme ends of income.  This seems to me to be pretty much what we've found through discussions on this board.  Do you think that there should be programs in place to make it easier for SAHMs in the lower income brackets to go back to work?  How could this be accomplished?

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/opt-out-or-left-out-economics-stay-home-moms-1C9881635

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:07am

springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-size:13px; text-align:left">Not all babies are born according to plan or under ideal circumstances. Would-have, should-have, and could-have doesn't really do them any good, does it?</span></p><p style="text-align:left"><span style="font-size:x-small"><span>The parents made those children, no one else. THEY should be the ones responsible for them. While BC is not 100% effective, I truly think most times it is not used or not used properly and THAT is why pregnancy happens. </span></span></p>

Why on earth would you truly think that about someone else's sex life and contraception?  I don't think there is anything out there that is 100% affective that doesn't involve sterilization.

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:07am

geschichtsgal wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>The article is fishing for an issue that's not there.. SAHMs cross all socio backgrounds, Ideally moms that stay at home can afford to but many moms can't and many other moms just don't want to........ Are your prepared to expose your combined income so we can talk actual numbers and who can/can't afford to SAH geschichtsgal?</blockquote></p><p>Except there is an issue. Very low income women often SAH, and many of them would like to work.  Wouldn't it be nice to make it possible for women who want to work be able to?  Some kind of subsidized child care that would make it possible for these women to work or go to school?  Are there any other programs that would make it easier for low income women to work outside the home, if they want to?  My household income isn't an issue here. </p>

There is subsidized daycare.  So many people frown upon that tho, How bad is it?  Do you know? 

 

 

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Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:07am

Our county school system has a PreK program, that while not mandated, is well attended.  It is really difficult for many working parents to participate though, because it is only a 4 day a week program and ends at 2:30 each day.  They do run some classes through local daycare providers (with a county lead teacher), but that option costs as much as regular daycare.  And the income guidelines for head start are pretty low as well.

We have Universal Pre-K too. It is a lotto and yes, it is a few hour thing too so not very doable with full time working families.

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Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:09am

You can't tell poor people they shouldn't go to school either, Yay for those who get that free help! 

Weren't you telling me about Pell Grants the other day?

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:11am

jamblessedthree wrote:
The article is fishing for an issue that's not there.. SAHMs cross all socio backgrounds, Ideally moms that stay at home can afford to but many moms can't and many other moms just don't want to........ Are your prepared to expose your combined income so we can talk actual numbers and who can/can't afford to SAH geschichtsgal?

Income numbers don't tell the whole story and the story is pretty accurate, do you disagree?

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:11am
springfever2013 wrote:
Who would pay for these programs? The taxpayers for sure.

Yes and/or employers.  I think it's a very good use of taxpayer dollars-- and probably would actually be a net gain, if employment would allow these families to rely less on other social programs.

So it is basically like welfare that us tax payers pay for now? My company contributes 25% towards daycare expenses. I think that is pretty good BUT you have to make decent money FIRST to afford the remaining amount.

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:12am

<<The only answer I have is to get yourself a good job BEFORE you have kids if you need 2 incomes. It is too late once you get pregnant and that is how the planning comes into place.>>

No, that's not the only answer, that is an answer that doesn't address the question.  

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:13am

jamblessedthree wrote:
I'd be 100% on board if the federal government mandated preschool. Isn't Obama and the department of ed exploring that? My kids went to a church based preschool and they did have sliding scales for those that needed it, And yes there's headstart. There are poor private school families too bord.

That's quite a turn around from past debates when you have slammed headstart.  

PumpkinAngel

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:15am

<<Who would pay for these programs? The taxpayers for sure.>>

Do I need to point out that the people that would benefit from that type of program would also be....taxpayers?


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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 11:16am

geschichtsgal wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>I'd hope that an 18 yo child that gets pg is not only getting all the state support she can but also all the support from family too! Your employer has nothing to do with that.</blockquote></p><p>The income guidelines for most state and federal programs are really quite low, and not everyone has family who can help.</p>

Not everyone has family that would want to help either, family relationships can be complicated sometimes.

PumpkinAngel

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