Opt out or left out?

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Mon, 05-13-2013 - 3:31pm

This article says that most SAH moms do so, because they can't afford to work (i.e. couldn't make enough to cover their childcare costs).  Or that their husband's income is in the top 5% of earners in the US.  So SAHMs are at the two extreme ends of income.  This seems to me to be pretty much what we've found through discussions on this board.  Do you think that there should be programs in place to make it easier for SAHMs in the lower income brackets to go back to work?  How could this be accomplished?

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/opt-out-or-left-out-economics-stay-home-moms-1C9881635

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:50pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-size:13px">Ahhh, New York, the only state in which residents know exactly how much in taxes they pay and bring it up frequently in conversation.  Like a badge of honor??  I'm glad my city is run more efficiently and does not need so much money.  Probably a lot of kickbacks to take into account.</span></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:13px">Were your schools on that list too?</span></strong></p>

Don't know, didn't care.  I'm talking about people who love blabbing about taxes so much, it doesn't always ensure quality does it?  Ggals' schools were higher than yours on this list.

“Clearly," said Arthur,"you're an idiot- but you're our kind of idiot. Come on.” 
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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:50pm

<You're always doing that, Chestnut....bringing logic and facts and stuff into play.   I love you.>

Awe, shucks, thanks Bord. The fact-free, anecdote only annoys me on a so-called debate board, it's an oxymoron.

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:50pm

<<springfever2013 wrote:

Are you not aware that these things ARE available already?

Do you understand the definition of the word "expanding"?  Because it indicates that 1) yes, I do know there are programs like this available (if something doesn't exist, it can't be expanded) and 2) I think there should be more of them, and they should cover more of the cost of childcare.

I guess it is not available in many other areas of the country. I guess that is why my taxes are so much higher. >>

Since you said your work supports this program, that is not logical.  

PumpkinAngel

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:52pm

How is that obvious?  Are you really trying to implie that teen pregnancies only happen to parents who aren't involved in their kids lives?

Nope as I know (from my narrow view of life) some adults who got pregnant as teenagers and they had involved parents. It DOES happen BUT I do think the more you speak with your child about what is going on in their life, the more they will tell you. You need to have an open conversation that they don't feel embarassed (as you don't either) to ask or tell you anything. 
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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:52pm

springfever2013 wrote:
......My dh contributes to our household and always has in the RIGHT way. I am glad I don't have to worry about carrying my family financially though as it sounds like that will be her life forever. </span></span></strong></p>

Exactly.  I do wonder about the job market now ~ even grads without children are having a hard time getting a decent job they want.  Why would any employer prefer to hire a parent whose education is a few courses each semester at the local college or an online college?  I sah, but I wouldn't do that to dh.  I planned it that way ~ before marriage I got my education, incurred lots of student debt!  and paid it off myself.  Then I got marriedandhadkids. ;)

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:53pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-size:13px">I think it should be funded through taxpayer dollars.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:small"><strong><span>May I ask how much you currently pay for your taxes? How much more are you willing to pay?</span></strong></span></p>

What type of taxes and if you are willing to ask, you should provide your own.

PumpkinAngel

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:53pm

springfever2013 wrote:
That's ok. She is going by on online site that does not tell the entire story or the ending result. It is easier (like the woman not working and staying home and taking hand outs) to just assume things and try to get someone upset (which it has not). My dh contributes to our household and always has in the RIGHT way. I am glad I don't have to worry about carrying my family financially though as it sounds like that will be her life forever.

I don't carry my family financially.  I could SAH if I wanted to based on my DH's salary.  We've actually discussed it fairly seriously recently, since we are planning on having more kids in the near future.

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:53pm

Don't know, didn't care.  I'm talking about people who love blabbing about taxes so much, it doesn't always ensure quality does it?  Ggals' schools were higher than yours on this list.

Sorry your inlaws annoy you so much. That is great for her to get on the list so high. Again, I was not comparing the schools on that list. It is great to get on a top 2,000 list of all high schools in the country.

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:54pm

thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">litlmiss_cantbewrong</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-author"&gt;&lt;em class="placeholder"&gt;springfever2013&lt;/em&gt; wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;&amp;lt;div style="font-weight:bold"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;em&amp;gt;springfever2013&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt; wrote:&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;Your school taxes are not alot, correct?&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p style="font-size:13px"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p style="font-size:13px"&amp;gt;They are high enough that the high school my kids will attend ranks higher than yours on the US News and World Reports ranking.  &amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p style="font-size:13px"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;strong&amp;gt;That does NOT mean your school taxes are higher. I can assure you my school taxes ALONE are more than your ENTIRE home taxes. I don't think that makes a difference to make that list. But if it makes you feel better to attack me, go ahead. After all your dh's years of school (doesn't he have a master?) is he finally making some real money? &amp;lt;/strong&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ahhh, New York, the only state in which residents know exactly how much in taxes they pay and bring it up frequently in conversation.  Like a badge of honor??  I'm glad my city is run more efficiently and does not need so much money.  Probably a lot of kickbacks to take into account.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>Every public school district should do an accounting more than once each year and have outside auditors.  Doesn't yours?</p>

Of course it does.

“Clearly," said Arthur,"you're an idiot- but you're our kind of idiot. Come on.” 
― Markus ZusakThe Book Thief

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:55pm

grapthars_hammer wrote:
Given the benefits both direct and indirect of such programs, the taxpayers' "investment" is a great deal.  Only in the US are the taxpayers who protest paying for such programs so stupid and cheap that they begrudge even their OWN benefits. It's beyond stupid and short sighted to protest the idea of educating our young.</p>

You're a little late to the dance.  No one's said that.  Please, carry on....(Or read first.  Whichever.)

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