Opt out or left out?

iVillage Member
Registered: 12-07-2003
Opt out or left out?
430
Mon, 05-13-2013 - 3:31pm

This article says that most SAH moms do so, because they can't afford to work (i.e. couldn't make enough to cover their childcare costs).  Or that their husband's income is in the top 5% of earners in the US.  So SAHMs are at the two extreme ends of income.  This seems to me to be pretty much what we've found through discussions on this board.  Do you think that there should be programs in place to make it easier for SAHMs in the lower income brackets to go back to work?  How could this be accomplished?

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/opt-out-or-left-out-economics-stay-home-moms-1C9881635

Pages

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:55pm

I guess it is not available in many other areas of the country. I guess that is why my taxes are so much higher. >>

Since you said your work supports this program, that is not logical.  

My job contributes to daycare, not headstart. I was not only talking about my job also, there are many jobs out there that do the same. Maybe not in every state though.

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-27-1998
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:56pm

<<<<That is where employers come into this. My employer offers a discount. The same daycare I used also had a low cost and free headstart. Are you not aware that these things ARE available already? >>

She said to expand the programs, clearly there is not enough of these programs.  Think outside of your world,  your employer....

Ummm..I have as I know many companies that do that also. Unfortuntely, it sounds like many areas of the country do not offer enough for families. I guess that is why my taxes are so high. I also don't have to utilize a private school because of the bad conditions of my public schools. >>

Oh, nice attempt at an insult spring, you are so funny.  

All laughing aside...What is the connection between your property taxes and companies using their funds for daycare programs?  

PumpkinAngel

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:57pm

Exactly.  I do wonder about the job market now ~ even grads without children are having a hard time getting a decent job they want.  Why would any employer prefer to hire a parent whose education is a few courses each semester at the local college or an online college?  I sah, but I wouldn't do that to dh.  I planned it that way ~ before marriage I got my education, incurred lots of student debt!  and paid it off myself.  Then I got marriedandhadkids. ;)

Yeah, I don't know. My dh has always had a job. I don't think I would like for him to be a forever student, especially after having children. We both contribute financially to our household. 

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-24-2010
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:58pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-size:13px">Easy Gesch.  A nerve was struck and I would be angry if I were you too.  Take a breath and get back to the thread which you keep reminding us was your thread, your desire to discuss a pertinent issue. </span></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:x-small"><span>That's ok. She is going by on online site that does not tell the entire story or the ending result. It is easier (like the woman not working and staying home and taking hand outs) to just assume things and try to get someone upset (which it has not). My dh contributes to our household and always has in the RIGHT way. I am glad I don't have to worry about carrying my family financially though as it sounds like that will be her life forever. </span></span></strong></p>

Spring, Thardy was responding to Ggal, because you attacked first.  It would be a good idea to reign yourself in.

“Clearly," said Arthur,"you're an idiot- but you're our kind of idiot. Come on.” 
― Markus ZusakThe Book Thief

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-01-2002
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:59pm

geschichtsgal wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">springfever2013</em> wrote:</div>That's ok. She is going by on online site that does not tell the entire story or the ending result. It is easier (like the woman not working and staying home and taking hand outs) to just assume things and try to get someone upset (which it has not). My dh contributes to our household and always has in the RIGHT way. I am glad I don't have to worry about carrying my family financially though as it sounds like that will be her life forever.</blockquote></p><p>I don't carry my family financially.  I could SAH if I wanted to based on my DH's salary.  We've actually discussed it fairly seriously recently, since we are planning on having more kids in the near future.</p>

The old choose-to WOH versus the have-to WOH debate.  Kind of like the opt out or left out sahm.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 7:59pm

I don't carry my family financially.  I could SAH if I wanted to based on my DH's salary.  We've actually discussed it fairly seriously recently, since we are planning on having more kids in the near future.

Really? You could live on that amount of money? Surprised

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-24-2010
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 8:01pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-size:13px">Headstart is what you are claiming your area has that helps raise your taxes so high?</span></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:13px">Again, NO</span></strong></p><p><span style="font-size:13px">Did you know all states have that?</span></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:13px">Yep</span></strong></p><p><span style="font-size:13px"> Its federally funded too.  So why are your local taxes so high in relation to free preschool or daycare or whatever it is you are claiming (that other areas don't have).</span></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:13px">My taxes are high for higher prices for everything, higher teachers salaries, etc. </span></strong></p>

Ok, so when you had posts back a ways talking about how some kind of program for preschool or daycare is in your area and that's (partly) why you have such high taxes...you were confused?  There is nothing?

“Clearly," said Arthur,"you're an idiot- but you're our kind of idiot. Come on.” 
― Markus ZusakThe Book Thief

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 8:01pm
springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-size:13px">I think it should be funded through taxpayer dollars.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:small"><strong><span>May I ask how much you currently pay for your taxes? How much more are you willing to pay?</span></strong></span></p>

What type of taxes and if you are willing to ask, you should provide your own.

A lot 

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-27-1998
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 8:01pm

<<

springfever2013 wrote:
<p style="font-size:13px">&lt;&lt;That is where employers come into this. My employer offers a discount. The same daycare I used also had a low cost and free headstart. Are you not aware that these things ARE available already? &gt;&gt;</p><p style="font-size:13px">She said to expand the programs, clearly there is not enough of these programs.  Think outside of your world,  your employer....</p><p style="font-size:13px"><strong>Ummm..I have as I know many companies that do that also. Unfortuntely, it sounds like many areas of the country do not offer enough for families. I guess that is why my taxes are so high. I also don't have to utilize a private school because of the bad conditions of my public schools. </strong></p>

Is that why you think people use private schools, because of "bad conditions" in public schools?  Are there no private schools on your island?  No homeschoolers?>>

Like I said before, narrow view.  :)

PumpkinAngel

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-27-1998
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 8:02pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-size:13px">Why can't you just go get a job? Maybe it won't come today or tomorrow but with time, patience and a little effort finding a job can be done.. It serves nobody any good to cry fowl and say there is no choice.</span></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:13px">Yep and many women (like this women in this story) COULD get a full time job (as she was ONLY speaking of staying at her part time job) or work off hours from her dh. She says she wants to work but can't. Just like she didn't research how much it would cost for 2 kids in daycare BEFORE she got pregnant, she obviously has not looked into other job options. It is just easier to stay home and complain about how she can't do it and have family help them.</span></strong></p>

....and we're back to the narrow view and assumptions.

PumpkinAngel

Pages