Opt out or left out?

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Mon, 05-13-2013 - 3:31pm

This article says that most SAH moms do so, because they can't afford to work (i.e. couldn't make enough to cover their childcare costs).  Or that their husband's income is in the top 5% of earners in the US.  So SAHMs are at the two extreme ends of income.  This seems to me to be pretty much what we've found through discussions on this board.  Do you think that there should be programs in place to make it easier for SAHMs in the lower income brackets to go back to work?  How could this be accomplished?

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/opt-out-or-left-out-economics-stay-home-moms-1C9881635

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Registered: 05-31-2011
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 9:43pm

ka032006 wrote:
It seems as though there is an underlying difference in the way people view their relationship to the rest of society. Do you see yourself as part of the same team, wanting a better life for all? Or do you see life as a competition and jealously guard resources to keep those you deem less deserving from having a comparable lifestyle? I agree that planning, preparing, and bringing children into a secure, stable life was important to me. But I had all the resources and support I needed to not only understand the value of that, but to make it happen in a reasonable time. I do not expect those raised with less knowledge, less support, or obstacles I have never faced to live by my standards, nor do I have any interest in punishing them for not doing so. I do have an interest in those individuals building the best possible life for themselves and their children. Subsidizing day care so that a minimum wage worker can gain valuable work experience pays off tenfold. That worker is a taxpayer, works their way off assistance faster, and raises their child in a higher socioeconomic status, making the child more likely to have children in optimal circumstances. Emotionally, you may cry that it is not fair that the benefit of your good decisions are not providing as much of a benefit as it should, but logically, you have to realize there are benefits to living in a society with fewer families going without adequate nutrition, shelter, and medical care.

I wish this joint had a "love" button.

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Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 9:43pm

I have no clue what inlaws ahve to do with this.  You are the only one bringing up high taxes so much.  I never said my inlaws do.

You said "New Yorkers" do. Aren't your inlaws from NY?

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Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 9:44pm

Springfever2013
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Really? You could live on that amount of money?

On the amount my DH makes?  Yes.  He works full time.  Sorry, you didn't have your spreadsheet updated.

Oh...wow...that much for full time? Sorry.

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Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 9:46pm

Your employer using your county property taxes to suplement their daycare facility?   

Maybe you should re-read my posts as I NEVER said my job has their OWN daycare facility.

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Registered: 12-07-2003
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 9:50pm

springfever2013 wrote:
Oh...wow...that much for full time? Sorry.

Sorry? Oh, so you think you know how much money my DH makes.  Gotcha.

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Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 9:51pm
grapthars_hammer wrote:
Well, until fall, right? Don't I remember that your dd and my dgs start kindie together?

I guess I should have said DH isn't a student at this point.  DD is entering 2nd grade.  DS is entering PreK.  I didn't have to send him early, because I couldn't afford daycare.  We can wait until he's five before he starts Kindergarten.

Why would you think people send their kids at 4 to Kindergarten because they can't afford daycare? Our school year means you can be 4 until December 1st to start Kindergarten and that is when most kids go. My youngest has a later in the year bday and started K at the age of 4. 

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Registered: 03-27-2013
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 9:54pm
springfever2013 wrote:
Oh...wow...that much for full time? Sorry.

Sorry? Oh, so you think you know how much money my DH makes.  Gotcha.

You mentioned that you knew our salaries. Please do tell. Ours is not public, isn't yours?

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Registered: 07-12-2005
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 9:55pm
Just so you know, just_another_marla, hearing the words joint and love button in the same sentence being back memories of my college years...so much for all those good decisions. I guess that was where luck came in.
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Registered: 06-27-1998
Tue, 05-14-2013 - 10:14pm

<<All laughing aside...What is the connection between your property taxes and companies using their funds for daycare programs?  

I never said there WAS a connection. Not sure how that even came up. >>

You brought it up, kept saying that's why you pay such high taxes in your area.  I'm sure I quoted your comments in mine, perhaps if you read them?  

Here is an example:  springfever2013 wrote:

Are you not aware that these things ARE available already?

Do you understand the definition of the word "expanding"?  Because it indicates that 1) yes, I do know there are programs like this available (if something doesn't exist, it can't be expanded) and 2) I think there should be more of them, and they should cover more of the cost of childcare.

I guess it is not available in many other areas of the country. I guess that is why my taxes are so much higher. 

PumpkinAngel

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 10:16pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p style="font-size:13px">&lt;&lt;That is where employers come into this. My employer offers a discount. The same daycare I used also had a low cost and free headstart. Are you not aware that these things ARE available already? &gt;&gt;</p><p style="font-size:13px">She said to expand the programs, clearly there is not enough of these programs.  Think outside of your world,  your employer....</p><p style="font-size:13px"><strong>Ummm..I have as I know many companies that do that also. Unfortuntely, it sounds like many areas of the country do not offer enough for families. I guess that is why my taxes are so high. I also don't have to utilize a private school because of the bad conditions of my public schools. </strong></p>

Here's another example of talking about your employer and expanding the daycare programs that they have, that you have used.  You answer with that's why my taxes are so high.  

PumpkinAngel

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