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Mon, 05-13-2013 - 3:31pm

This article says that most SAH moms do so, because they can't afford to work (i.e. couldn't make enough to cover their childcare costs).  Or that their husband's income is in the top 5% of earners in the US.  So SAHMs are at the two extreme ends of income.  This seems to me to be pretty much what we've found through discussions on this board.  Do you think that there should be programs in place to make it easier for SAHMs in the lower income brackets to go back to work?  How could this be accomplished?

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/opt-out-or-left-out-economics-stay-home-moms-1C9881635

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Wed, 05-22-2013 - 2:00pm

rollmops2009 wrote:
Certain aspects of RCC dogma is well known even by people who are not Catholic, and most people would assume that one's religion had some sort of influence on how one's kids were raised.

Precisely. When one takes great pride in their religion, it is natural to assume they embrace that religion's dogma. The pair of you have made no secret of your Catholicism. So I find it alternately amusing and more than a bit surprising that Spring is endorsing BCPs for her kid....

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Wed, 05-22-2013 - 12:14pm

Certain aspects of RCC dogma are well known even by people who are not Catholic, and most people would assume that one's religion had some sort of influence on how one's kids were raised.

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Wed, 05-22-2013 - 11:45am

What business is it of yours what RCC practice and how they raise thier kids?

All I'm saying is God makes no mistakes. Science otoh is questionble, Lol.

 


 


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Wed, 05-22-2013 - 11:38am
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Wed, 05-22-2013 - 11:24am

jamblessedthree wrote:
Children are a gift from God. Those science accidents really are not @@

So how exactly does this statement jive w/the earlier comments from Spring & you about there being no excuse for accidental pregnancies in this day and age? Moreover, as Catholics who believe children are a gift from God--doesn't that mean you don't use birth control (other than NFP) and wouldn't advocate its use for your children? I mean, the Vatican doesn't allow for any birth control except NFP, so I'm a bit surprised that Spring would put her DD on the pill and actively defy the Vatican. 

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Wed, 05-22-2013 - 11:17am
Children are a gift from God. Those science accidents really are not @@

 


 


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Wed, 05-22-2013 - 10:51am

springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-size:13px; text-align:left">No spring, There's bcp options out there - if you're stupid enough to not follow the pill as directed just take the morning after thing after sex. That's available for 15 yos now, Our girls should know about this!</span></p><p><span style="font-size:small"><strong><span style="text-align:left">Oh, I am very aware of that. I was on the bcp for about 13 years (not adding in the time I tried to get pregnant (7 months with first, 6 months with second) and was pregnant. There is no reason to get pregnant in 2013 if you don't want to.</span></strong></span></p>

Someone should tell my friend who just had an IUD baby that. She didn't want to get pregnant. But her birth control failed. Her IUD, which has among the highest success rates for contraception. Except it didn't work for her. 

Why do you refuse to admit that accidents happen?

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Wed, 05-22-2013 - 10:46am

springfever2013 wrote:
<blockquote><div style="font-weight:bold"><em>jamblessedthree</em> wrote:</div>I'd hope that an 18 yo child that gets pg is not only getting all the state support she can but also all the support from family too! Your employer has nothing to do with that.</blockquote><p style="font-size:13px; text-align:left"></p><p style="font-size:13px; text-align:left">The income guidelines for most state and federal programs are really quite low, and not everyone has family who can help.</p><p style="font-size:13px; text-align:left"><span style="font-size:small"><strong>So you find nothing wrong with tax payers paying for someone who didn't take precautions from getting pregnant when they fully knew they could not afford to do so</strong>?</span></p>

The last time I checked (and mind you, it's been a while as the infertile don't exactly need to use birth control)--no form of birth control is 100% effective. Has that changed? B/c I know loads of ppl who conceived while using birth control...so what about those who took precautions and wound up pregnant anyway?

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Wed, 05-15-2013 - 1:50pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p><span style="font-size:13px; text-align:left">Spring, it is a debate board, not a mud wrestling pit.</span></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:13px; text-align:left">This started out as a debate, but then it turned, as usual again, this time with Jessica throwing the first stone. </span></strong></p>

Spring, Ggal did not attack your dd.  She questioned your judgment on whether your plan to make sure your children never get pregant when you have posted about how irresponsible she is.  

Ggal brought up that her school was higher-that's not an attack.  You brought up this precious list that your school is on and you brought up your high taxes.  She says that her schoools are on the list and she pays less than you is not an attack.  Unless you think that every response to whatever you post should be "That's nice."

She did bring up your dh and that' wasn't nice.  But this was AFTER you posted about how sorry you are for her due to her dh being a student and your belief that he makes very little money.  That was an attack and she responded with an attack.  And then you brought up her dh about 5 more times & how little he must make with horror stricken faces.  Don't even be whining about attacks when you start then and continue them.

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Wed, 05-15-2013 - 1:35pm

springfever2013 wrote:
<p style="font-size:13px">&lt;&lt;All laughing aside...What is the connection between your property taxes and companies using their funds for daycare programs?  </p><p style="font-size:13px">I never said there WAS a connection. Not sure how that even came up. &gt;&gt;</p><p style="font-size:13px">You brought it up, kept saying that's why you pay such high taxes in your area.  I'm sure I quoted your comments in mine, perhaps if you read them?  </p><p style="font-size:13px">Here is an example:  <em>springfever2013</em> wrote:</p><blockquote>Are you not aware that these things ARE available already?</blockquote><p style="font-size:13px"></p><p style="font-size:13px">Do you understand the definition of the word "expanding"?  Because it indicates that 1) yes, I do know there are programs like this available (if something doesn't exist, it can't be expanded) and 2) I think there should be more of them, and they should cover more of the cost of childcare.</p><p style="font-size:13px"><span style="font-size:small">I guess it is not available in many other areas of the country. I guess that is why my taxes are so much higher. </span></p><p style="font-size:13px"><span style="font-size:small"><strong>The majority of my homeowners taxes are for the schools, which include the Universal Pre-K, not daycare nor headstart.</strong></span></p>

Oops, but you posted a blurb about the Universal pre-k in your district and it's paid for by a grant.  Not taxes.

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