Roles of the parent.
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Roles of the parent.
| Tue, 03-07-2006 - 3:29am |
I think in the old days men use to tell women the what to do, or what not to do. Today we let other women tell us what is right for us. I have never seen two situations that are the same in any relationship. The roles are changing as we type right now. Women use to think it was worth it to spend as much time at home with their children as time would give them. However, that is not the case today. It is all very sad if you ask me because you have some men that are saying "I will stay home for the kids", and at the same time the women opt not too.I have three girls, the oldest is 8 and the youngest is 3 months , each child has a four yr space. Some parents need duel incomes. I think as children get older it is okay to get work outside the house, but as they are growing and learning new things I would like to see that for myself if I can. I have another year of college and then I will have to work, and I am not looking forward to it. The idea of being away from my children is scary to me. I find it hard to even let them go outside and play. However, I am getting better with it. Both my parents worked, and I recalled how much I wanted to be with my mom. I would have been happy just to go to Walmarts with her, but she never really had the time. It is not a matter of what is right or wrong, but what is the need of the family? Can a family make it on one check? That depends on the location, the home, car, and the life style that the parents want to have. Some could say if you want to be safe, you both have to pay because safe comes with a high price tag. Others could say different. The truth is stay at home moms are on the downfall due to the different types of families today. Is it bad or good, I do not know. However, I can tell you it is life.

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>I did not say, or did not mean to say, that our kids' successes are our accomplishments. That's not what I meant at all. I'm referring to just the fact of our kids coming up in the normal, healthy, regular way due in part to our efforts.<
I see your point. That's the sense of accomplishment dh and I feel when we look at Erica and all she has come through in becoming an adult. We did the best we could with the information and knowledge and common sense that we had while raising a difficult child. She has turned out to be her own person, responsible, able to live on her own, make friends, and be everything that one would wish in an adult child. I'm both proud in our having a part in that and in her for overcoming (and using) her obstacles/conditions/drawbacks.
Chris
The truth may be out there but lies are in your head. Terry Pratchett
I guess that would be the case if the parents are only choosing those who are alike or very similar to thier own situation/views. Personally I prefer a much more diverse grouping and intend to provide as much.
Why will we not be using public/private school? We will not be using private school because the only private schools in our area are religiously based. As we are Pagan, it doesn't make sense for us to put our children into a Christian school. It also does not make sense to put them into *any* religious school as we want to expose them to as many different faiths as possible as part of that desired diversity. We don't want them getting one message from school and another at home is what that boils down to. As for public school, we don't care for the environment. A classroom consisting primarily of children all their same age where they will mostly sit at a desk and learn from books. We also prefer a more flexible learning environment where we can both cover what needs to be covered but also allow for a great deal of child-led learning/instruction.
Wytchy
Jennie
Jennie
i normally dont let my kids do the fundraisers i prefer to just donate cash, but being so involved in school realize how many things the kids would miss if the fund raisers were not done.
our school has no "just for fun trips" they must all include a certain amount of educational value - so a trip to a ski hill or an amusement park would never fly here. our band is going to disneyland, but to be allowed to go they have to do two performances and march in one parade while they are there.
Jennie
as to flexibility, perhaps, but school is not the be all and end all of education. homeschoolers may have more flexibility (but you are assuming they have the funds to do the things as well, which in my experince is far from always the case) but a kid in public school may experience more things if you include family and school events - that of course in both cases is going to depend on the family.
Jennie
***I don't see how that's a bad thing at all.***
I didn't say it was a *bad* thing necessarily- I just said that it was one way in which time was taken from the academic day.
***I think the brief interruption is justified ~ children going to a teacher who has taught this same subject and only this subject everyday for years. You can't get that with a HS'ing parent. (You'll teach the same subject a few times to different children, but with at least a year off between children.)***
I just don't see that as a clear benefit. I've seen far too many jaded and cynical teachers to think that just because someone has been teaching a given subject since Lincoln was president that they are the best qualified to do so. ;) NOT at all saying that teachers are all like that- not at all. Merely saying that experience does not equal ability in my book. I place more stock in creativity and flexibility than I do in experience teaching the same thing for years and years.
***I've heard that before. I'd appreciate any statistics you have.***
Formal stats? Lemme see what I can track down. General information? Just do any random search for 'homeschool above grade level' and you'll come up with quite a bit.
***That's part of being in an average school district too - most kids want to learn.***
I guess. In my day most students wanted to socialize and figure out creative ways to blow off classwork/homework/school. LOL
***Again, many public and private schools have gym in the middle of the day, and sports immediately after school.***
Schedulled times with limited activities. If a kid wants to run around during math class, they simply can't do that. If a homeschooled kid wants to run around at (insert time) nothing really says that they can't. As for sports- that depends largely on the district and whether the students parents can afford to allow them to play. In many cases there are large sports participation fees given the financial situations of many schools/districts. Further, there are parents out there who feel that 8hrs a day at school is enough- after school sports for many may eat up more family time than the family cares to part with.
***That halcyon, relaxed picture may work if you have compliant students. I don't see how having the HS'ing parent and the child having so many distractions at home can be superior to the traditional method with the teacher and student devoting their time and attention to the classwork.***
That is part of the benefit to the flexibility of the homeschooling environment. The parent can be more relaxed or more structured depending on the needs of their child.
***I could see how the laundry, housework, phone calls, car/home repairs, meals, clothes/food shopping, etc., then detract from the idea that the HS'ing parent is so intensely focused on teaching one-on-one that she can do it in half the time that the public school teacher does it.***
Gee- I wonder how WOHM's manage to WOH and get all that done. One might wonder how they get the laundry, housework, phone calls, car/home repairs, meals, clothes/food shopping, etc. without detracting from their work day. (Tongue firmly planted in cheek ;)
Wytchy
Think of it this way- when you do a good job- are you proud of your accomplishment? I know I am. If you've done your best as a parent, then that is an accomplishment to be proud of. That is YOUR accomplishment. Whether or not your children turn out to be fabulously successful people or sociopaths- you've done a great job. You are only responsible for what you put into them- not what they *do* with it.
Wytchy
***Peer pressure ~ if a HS'd child is properly exposed to other peers, then she will experience the same peer pressure that goes on in schools.***
Wow- really? Adequate socialization means that 6th graders are pressured into giving oral sex and smoking weed in the bathrooms? Hmmm- never would have thought *that* was a part of "proper socialization"..... Oh- maybe you mean the fighting on the bus or unsupervised areas of the building. Yeah- that's something I'm sorry my kids will miss out on... Gee, maybe I should just send them to playgroup with a switchblade and a dime bag. Might as well get it over with now if it's all part of 'proper socialization' ROFL! ;)
***If she does not experience peer pressure, then IMO she's not being properly HS'd but rather, is being isolated from the real world.***
There is something to be said for a reasonable level of isolation from what should not be part of the 'real world'. Oh- wait- IMO that's just part of proper supervision for children. But unfortunately many public schools just don't *have* that and aren't even aware of their need *for* it as quite a bit goes on 'under the radar'.
***Bullying ~ many schools have a zero tolerance policy nowadays. More and more, schools are addressing the Queen Bee/Kingpin phenomenon.***
And maybe I'd feel differently if I saw this enacted in real life. Who knows. I'm going by my experience as far as MHO goes on this one. If there were an *effective* Zero Tolerance policy and addressing of social problems, then I very well might feel differently.
Wytchy
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