SAH doesn't support change,

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SAH doesn't support change,
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Sat, 08-26-2006 - 4:58pm

"SAH doesn't support change, it supports going backwards to the 1950's,"

Statement in a post below.

I wholeheartedly disagree. To me, SAH is a choice. How is that going back to the 1950s, when a lot of women didn't have much of a choice.

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Registered: 08-16-2004
Mon, 09-04-2006 - 8:41pm

'What do you know that most college students don't?'

That there are programs where you can complete your work year-round, rather than just during a spring and fall semester. That you can complete programs online or take short classes that account for quite a few credits (as my husband is doing).

'Do you have some statistics to back that up?'

I don't need them., Corey is going to have his degree finished by next November and will have completed it in less than three years. That's proof that you can get a degree in a few years without being a full-time student.

'Forgive me for not accepting your second-hand, wishful-thinking opinion on the subject.'

Oh? So there's not plenty of degrees, schools, programs, and paths out there? There's no flexibility? You can only do it one way? Really??? I think you should tell that to my husband, whos going to college for free. Or, maybe my best friend who had only a B average and average test scores yet still got a free ride to college because of grants and state funding. Or, perhaps, my father who got his degree pretty quickly through night schooling--not being a full-time student. You should tell them that thinking there's plenty of ways to get through college, lots of programs and flexibility, etc. is wishful thinking and that they are wrong. Tell them how worthless their degrees are because the programs must have been crappy due to the flexibility. My father would probably just laugh at you and wave his paycheck in your face.

'Those of us that have been to college, struggled to pay for it, completed degree programs and worked in our careers have a different, more realistic point of view.'

Those of us who had high test scores, a high GPA, and state funding in our state given to anyone with a certain GPA + test score combination have a different, just as realistic point of view. Simply because you think there's only ONE way to go to college, directly after high school full-time for 4-5 years doesn't mean it's the ONLY way. I happen to know otherwise based on what those around me have accomplished.

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 8:42pm
I know people who are whiney who aren't teens. Whining isn't exclusive to teenagers. I know many teens who are much more mature than some adults I've encountered. It's not just about age.
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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 8:42pm
So do, some don't, depends on the agency, etc. All, however, have to be certified in their state which requires some amount of formal (ie post-secondary) education. Likewise, EMTs, firefighters, etc.
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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 8:45pm
No, there's not, but that doesn't mean I have to do it that way or that it's the only acceptable way. I think I can enjoy my child's younger years MUCH better without having to leave him to go to class a few hours a day or having to fret over homework while he wants to play. You think that a limited amount of quality time is acceptable and all that's needed. That's fine for you. I, however, think that quality AND quantity both matter. Yes, I could get a degree right now. Yes, I could have a career right now. Yes, I could balance family and career. But I don't want to or need to. I'd much rather focus on raising my child rather than have to juggle several things. I don't want to divide my attention several different ways. I don't need or want your approval.
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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 8:47pm

'At 20 I could focus almost all of my energies on being a student.'

I'd rather focus all of my energies on being a parent right now and then focus all of my energies at 31 on being a student and career woman, rather than the other way around. That's just what I've chosen to do, feel is best, and am comfortable with. When my children are older and a bit more independant, perhaps then I will become more independant. Right now... I'm glad of my position.

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 8:52pm

I think you're reading too much into a very simple link. The average student completes college within 4 years and one summer (i.e., 3 months for a total of 51 months.) Not 55 months. One should just read the link verbatim.

Quoting the 72% figure was an obvious exaggeration. That unusual situation addresses 1.) again, those students who delay enrolling in college and it includes *that period of delay* in the "time to complete college," and 2.) only those students who attended 2 or more colleges - in that unusual case, I have no doubt it's going to tack on a few more semesters.

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 8:52pm

'In the area of education and earning a living your practical knowledge is certainly *lacking* and not just "different".'

You don't have to get a college education to be able to do research and understand the ways of getting and paying for one.

I've earned a living before and can do it again. I've lived off of a few hundred a month and could easily live off one or two grand.

Save your judgement for someone you actually know.

'And you have not lived through the same experiences as I have (college, career, working etc) yet you claim to know so much about it.'

I don't claim to know "so much" about it, just enough that I know I can go to college now or later, that there are many ways of completing and paying for a degree, and that it doesn't always take years and years to finish up. I know that based on what others around me have done. I also know that I can spend more time with my son right now than if I were in college or running a career, that I can focus more on my children than if I had other things to give my attention to, and that I'm quite content to wait until later on to go to college and have a career.

'This statement is so laughable I won't even try to refute it. Anyone that has any real, practical knowledge of running their own small business understands how ridiculous it is to assume that a 40 hour work-week is normal or common, much less assumed.'

I never said a 40 hour work week was common for a person running their own business, just common for an average full-time employee. I do, however, know plenty of small business owners that do not work overtime, and therefore I know that it is possible.

What's laughable is how quick you are to judge someone you don't know, assume things about someone then accuse them of assumptions, and to be as completely wrapped up in someone else's business as you are.

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 8:55pm

No matter when you go and where you go, a bachelor's degree will consist of roughly the same amount of hours - 120-140. The number of classes is therefore roughly the same no matter the degree, program, or institution - 40-50. Do you know of an accredited program that requires fewer hours or fewer classes for a bachelor's degree?

"That there are programs where you can complete your work year-round, rather than just during a spring and fall semester"

Pretty much every college that enrolls students, not such a big secret.

"Oh? So there's not plenty of degrees, schools, programs, and paths out there? There's no flexibility? You can only do it one way? Really???"

If you know of a way to get a bachelor's degree in only 3 years only taking classes part-time, you should forget waitressing and write a book selling your formula. I am sure plenty of people would pay good money to get your considerable insight to these shortcuts.

"Tell them how worthless their degrees are because the programs must have been crappy due to the flexibility."

Clearly this is a sore subject for you, but there is no need to make things up. I never said anything slighly similiar to this.

"Simply because you think there's only ONE way to go to college, directly after high school full-time for 4-5 years doesn't mean it's the ONLY way. I happen to know otherwise based on what those around me have accomplished."

Again, I have never said there is one way to go to college - or even that college is the only way to gain an education and marketable skills. You are insisting on this so you can harp with righteous indignation, but it just ain't so. However, the information you have shared so far about college plans, paying for it, etc do not support your claim that you "know otherwise". How about backing some of it up? Show a link for a bachelor's degree program that is part-time and can be finished in 3 years. Show a link to the breakdown of financial aid supporting your claim that a free education is so easily attainable.

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 8:56pm
Je peux parle francais assez bien pour une femme de vingt et un ans, qui est stupide et non mûr. ;)
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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 9:00pm

Can I ask where you went? ;) I went to a little school in Greenwich Village, perhaps you've heard of it? But my experience was far from bohemian and full of off-the-wall Halloween parades: it was NYU Law. Did you have good housing?

It was also unheard of at my undergrad to go longer than 4 years.

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