SAH doesn't support change,

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SAH doesn't support change,
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Sat, 08-26-2006 - 4:58pm

"SAH doesn't support change, it supports going backwards to the 1950's,"

Statement in a post below.

I wholeheartedly disagree. To me, SAH is a choice. How is that going back to the 1950s, when a lot of women didn't have much of a choice.

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Registered: 04-14-2003
Mon, 09-25-2006 - 1:13pm

i lauded my own pto in one of my posts to you, so why do you feel the need to pretend that i hate all ptos? i have also never associated your schools perfect attendance awards with your school's pto, even though others understandably did when you grouped the two topics when you raised the subject, so why do you feel the need to pretend that i'm associating the two?

the person who said that the districts could have a finanical interest hasn't lived in the u.s. in quite some time, and the landscape in education has changed dramatically over the past few decades. honestly, i'm all but certain she's wrong regarding federal funding, and think it pretty unlikely that any state would maintain such a system in this day and age. tell me that your district's funding is based on daily tallies of individual attendance for all schools, and you have a point, but i'm not buying "someone else said" in this case.

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Registered: 08-27-2005
Mon, 09-25-2006 - 1:29pm

"the person who said that the districts could have a finanical interest hasn't lived in the u.s. in quite some time, and the landscape in education has changed dramatically over the past few decades."

It doesn't occur to you that my entire family is still in California and that I currently have 10 nieces and nephews distributed over several California school systems? I'm well aware of quite a number of current California school policies thanks to close contact with my family.

"honestly, i'm all but certain she's wrong regarding federal funding, and think it pretty unlikely that any state would maintain such a system in this day and age."

That's interesting, I never said anything about federal funding. I was talking about state funding so I'm not sure what you think I'm wrong about.

"tell me that your district's funding is based on daily tallies of individual attendance for all schools, and you have a point, but i'm not buying "someone else said" in this case."

Try this link from the San Diego Unified School District. It makes the California situation fairly clear:

http://www.sandi.net/depts/sarb/ada.html

"Example:
Michael has perfect attendance, calculated this way:
142 days attended ÷ by 142 days of school taught = 1.0 ADA

Hannah attended 136 of the 142 days taught, calculated this way:
136 days attended ÷ by 142 days of school taught = .96 ADA

How Does ADA Generate Revenue for the District?
A student like Michael, with perfect attendance, generates $5,104* in revenue for the district. It is calculated this way: 1.0 ADA x $5,104 revenue limit per ADA = $5,104.

A student like Hannah, who may miss several days, generates less revenue. In this case, ADA is calculated this way: .96 ADA x $5,104 revenue limit per ADA = $4,900
In this case, there was a loss of $204 in possible revenue.

Irregular attendance also affects the revenue the district receives from the lottery, and for Special Education."

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Registered: 04-14-2003
Mon, 09-25-2006 - 1:52pm

i stand informed then--the state of california gives districts incentive to track individual student attendance and even to want sick children to come to school.

i get the impression you think that i was dismissing you, when all i was dismissing was the op's decision to base her entire retort on an "i think" statement provided in someone else's (your) post. i understood all along that you were talking about state funding and that you have second-hand connections to the u.s.

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Registered: 06-02-2003
Mon, 09-25-2006 - 2:02pm

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Ok...the ones that you aren't involved with. You have to admit you have stated some pretty hostile opinions about PTOs.

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I wasn't linking the PTO to the perfect attendance thing, I was saying that most schools give out some form of awards....the attendance award was one of those.

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Really? You don't believe something someone else posted? Honestly, I'm quite surprised! You are usually so respectful of others' experiences. *rolling eyes*

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Oh? Is that how you felt when you said "i have heard of such things being administered by teachers, ptos, and school"? Who did you hear it from if not "someone else"?

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Registered: 06-02-2003
Mon, 09-25-2006 - 2:05pm

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Then why did you say this:
"honestly, i'm all but certain she's wrong regarding federal funding, and think it pretty unlikely that any state would maintain such a system in this day and age."

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Registered: 08-27-2005
Mon, 09-25-2006 - 2:08pm

"the state of california gives districts incentive to track individual student attendance and even to want sick children to come to school."

I found another link from California that explicitly states that excused absences (illness, death in the family) have an effect the ADA (average daily allowance) and, thus, an effect on the funding. I lost the link, but can look it up again if you are interested. Fwiw, I think it's utterly absurd to link daily attendance to finances, particularly since even illness costs the districts money. I was pretty shocked when I first heard about it.

"i get the impression you think that i was dismissing you,"

Yes, I did get that impression from phrases such as

"the person who said that the districts could have a financial interest hasn't lived in the u.s. in quite some time, and the landscape in education has changed dramatically over the past few decades."

But if that's not what you meant then I apologise for misinterpreting your post.

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Registered: 04-14-2003
Mon, 09-25-2006 - 2:12pm

huh? you must be confusing me with another poster or posters? understandable in a thread this size, but please do let it go.

the op has now linked something that describes the funding structure. a far cry from the initial "i think" post that you cited as the one and only "proof" that you were clinging to in your own response. you had no reason to believe her at that point either; the fact that you did does not make you the brighter bulb of the two of us.

i would point out that there are some more meaningful ways you could direct this excess of energy you seem to be feeling, but somehow you dismiss *that* as trivial.

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Registered: 04-14-2003
Mon, 09-25-2006 - 2:16pm
i suppose you could (mis)read that to mean otherwise, but what i meant--and what that can be read to say, without any ammendment--was that i was all but certain she couldn't be talking about federal funding--she had to be talking about state funding, which i admitted i was less sure about.
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Registered: 03-27-2003
Mon, 09-25-2006 - 2:19pm
That's nuts! DD's school (public) doesn't give out any Perfect Attendance awards but on the first day of school it does send home a list of symptoms that mean children MUST be kept home. And it adds that if any children exhibit these symptoms while at school, they must stay in the nurse's office until a parent/guardian picks them up. Fever, diarrhea, vomiting, discharge from eyes and things of that nature. I like this policy better. The school has made it clear that their priority is preventing the little epidemics that perfect attendance causes.
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Registered: 08-27-2005
Mon, 09-25-2006 - 2:29pm
Well, the schools do send out info about the importance of keeping kids home when they have fevers or stomach bugs, but somehow on the side there is a lot of pressure on parents to send the kids to school even if they are sick. It well and truly boils down to money in the case of California schools. Each day a child is home sick is a day the district has lost money.

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