SAH doesn't support change,

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SAH doesn't support change,
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Sat, 08-26-2006 - 4:58pm

"SAH doesn't support change, it supports going backwards to the 1950's,"

Statement in a post below.

I wholeheartedly disagree. To me, SAH is a choice. How is that going back to the 1950s, when a lot of women didn't have much of a choice.

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Registered: 08-16-2004
Tue, 08-29-2006 - 3:38pm
Haha, so now it's impossible to work part-time and get more than $10 an hour. There are jobs out there, and work experience isn't necessary for every job. Take waitressing at a nice restaurant, running deliveries at a busy place. Hell, I could be an exotic dancer if I wanted to. I can put up with the crap. My husband earns $900 in tips and $400 every paycheck, every month, just from working 4 nights a week running deliveries. That's $1300. I think that would be more than enough to buy food for two, pay the rent and utilities, and still have some left over for other things. When I was 18, I was living on my own off of $600 a month. I think I could make $1300 do for me and my son for 3 years until he went to school, and then get a full-time job working while he was in school. Of course, that would mean not homeschooling, but obviously having food to eat is a bit more important. And that $1300 wouldn't include child support and possible alimony that I would inevitably receive if I had custody of my child. Living near my mother, who would be THRILLED to be with her grandson while I worked a few nights a week, would help quite a bit, too. All you have to do is plan and use your brain. Regardless, I don't anticipate my husband running off with a red-headed harlot anytime soon. ;)
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Tue, 08-29-2006 - 3:40pm

"i'm referring to the same people you are--gung-ho, over-the-top lll members--as well as a few people i have known irl and dozens of posters in this and related forums, at the moment punkalicorn, who is in another thread quoting inaccurate statistics and information."

if they are inaccurate, why don't you quote me the accurate statistics? why don't you write a letter to the CDC and to Babytalk telling them how inaccurate they are and how you know much more than them? oh, and ps, I'm not in the lll or any other breast-feeding organization. i'm just capable of reading, researching, and hearing what other people have to say--unlike you. i think i'll trust the center for disease control and a well-respected magazine over you, considering you have NO sources to back up your info.

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Tue, 08-29-2006 - 3:43pm
oh? because I had a high-quality pump at the hospital that they advised me not to use regularly because it was NOT an adequate substitution for an actual feeding and would NOT do for my supply what breastfeeding would but could in fact diminish it. can you please write my hospital a letter telling them they need to educate their nurses a little better and not give out the misinformation that pumping is not as good as actually nursing? i wouldn't want any other new moms being told those lies like i was. i mean, they might end up like me...still nursing their baby at 14 months, unlike the vast majority of women in general and especially working women who quit breastfeeding by six months. that would be trrible! and could you please write the center for disease control and educate them, tell them that their study in 2003 was bogus and biased? i don't want anyone else to be misinformed!
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Registered: 04-14-2003
Tue, 08-29-2006 - 3:43pm
look at the CDC's breakdown of breastfeeding mothers by employment status--number and ratio.
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Tue, 08-29-2006 - 3:43pm

I wasn't saying that all women could successfully pump without suffering supply issues. I was replying to the implication that sah is required to successfully breastfeed. I was giving examples about how it could work with a woh. Two ingredients needed for successful workplace pumping are a sufficient amount of maternity leave to allow for *most* supply issues to work there way out and a safe clean welcome place in which to pump.

I was giving *my experience* in an office. (BTW, I was the lone unsuccessful bfer- believe me I know about supply issues and tried everything under the sun to rectify them.)

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Registered: 04-14-2003
Tue, 08-29-2006 - 3:45pm
right. that's why pumping is one of the most common methods used to increase supply.
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Registered: 08-16-2004
Tue, 08-29-2006 - 3:46pm

" if the underlying problem was that her supply was simply inadequate, breastfeeding instead of pumping wasn't going to change that. "

actually, it could have, because a baby is much more efficient than even the most-expensive pump. the underlying problem of inadequate supply can be linked to pumping and supplementing; it's not just hormones. and nursing will do a lot more to increase your supply than pumping, unless you are pumping after/during feedings. pumping INSTEAD of nursing can diminish supply. pumping while/after nursing can increase it. the reason for this is that babies are better suckers than pumps.

can you please tell me where you are getting your information? see, i'm quoting babytalk, the cdc, and the hospital where I gave birth. i'd like to know where you're getting the information that it's only low-quality pumps that aren't as good for breastfeeding as infants, that supply has only to do with hormones, etc. i'd like to read this for myself, please.

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Tue, 08-29-2006 - 3:48pm

"the efficiency of a baby's suck is no more guaranteed or uniform than the volume of a woman's supply."

can you prove it? the hospital told me otherwise. the doctors who have been to medical school, the nurses and lactation consultants with their experiences and degrees, they all told me otherwise. where are you getting this information?

"my breastpump was just as efficient as my "vaccum" firstborn, and much moreso than my "sipper" second."

that doesn't mean this is the norm. ;)

"is a shame that so much distorted and inaccurate information about pumping is bandied about"

yeah. the center for disease control and babytalk magazine are both so evil. and don't even get me started on the doctors at my hospital! i can't believe i listened to them. thank you for making me see the light!

i think you are the one bandying about distorted/inaccurate info about pumping. ;)

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Registered: 08-16-2004
Tue, 08-29-2006 - 3:50pm

so, you can use your experiences to tell others here that they are not in the majority, and when you share yours, we must assume that you are the norm. can you prove it? prove that your case is the most likely scenario.

and it's misinformation like that pumping IS as good as nursing that causes problems, not acknowledging that nursing is more efficient.

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Registered: 08-16-2004
Tue, 08-29-2006 - 3:51pm
and we're supposed to assume once again that because your child was a certain way, that's the norm. despite the common knowledge that every child is different.

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