SAH doesn't support change,

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SAH doesn't support change,
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Sat, 08-26-2006 - 4:58pm

"SAH doesn't support change, it supports going backwards to the 1950's,"

Statement in a post below.

I wholeheartedly disagree. To me, SAH is a choice. How is that going back to the 1950s, when a lot of women didn't have much of a choice.

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Fri, 09-01-2006 - 8:36am

Please let's keep it real; what was fine for previous generations just doesn't cut it today, nor will it tomorrow.

Sabina

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Fri, 09-01-2006 - 8:40am
I agree that a college education is important. I was addressing your point that seems to suggest that someone can't be intelligent and well rounded without one.
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Fri, 09-01-2006 - 8:52am
Maybe "intelligent" isn't the right word to use.

Sabina

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Fri, 09-01-2006 - 8:58am

Okay while I agree that she may be dreaming about being able to live on 1300 a month with a child, it could depend on where she lives. I live in Ohio and our house payment(lived in this house 6 1/2 years, no down payment) on a 4 bedroom(we made a 5th in the basement but can't be listed that way)1400 SQ Ft house is less then $700 a month. We pay more for 4 of kids to be in private school then for our house payment. Apartments here are cheaper then a house payment. When we lived in other parts of Ohio where that wasn't neccesarily the case.

I think people that live in high cost areas can't imaging how much cheaper things are other places just like it boggles my mind that things cost so much away from here.

Amy

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Fri, 09-01-2006 - 9:09am
Of course I know you realize that not SAH does not equal missing your childrens' childhoods.

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Fri, 09-01-2006 - 9:09am
Even those who happen to live in low COL need a sound education.

Sabina

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Fri, 09-01-2006 - 9:16am

I don't spend every moment doing things with my kids. I have 6 kids 10 and under. This summer we spent a lot of time going places and having fun. With 8 in our house I have tons of laundry and dishes at least twice a day along with other housework. Now that school has started I'm adjusting to just having 2 at home in the mornings.

I don't believe it's my job as a mother to entertain my kids all the time they all know how to play on their own or with each other. I'm about to go fold 2 baskets of laundry and then we're going to a friends house and I'll sit outside watching the kids play. I posted a schedule down below in that thread if you want to look.

Here's what yesterday looked like though: 6:30 up shower and get ready, nurse the baby, by 7:30 all the kids are up and ready for schoola and eating breakfast, throw a load of laundry in, 8:15 take the kids to school, go to a friend's house and wait for mom to be ready(she lives next door to my friend), 10:00 my mom and I take the 2 little ones to the Fair, 12:30 pick up Kindergartner from school, go back to my mom's and play ball with the kids and hang out outside till 2:45 when we leave to get the others from school, play outside at school and chat with other moms for about an hour, home at 4:30, I put away laundry and make sure all the kids get bathed and order pizza, DH got home at 6:30 we ate and then I left to run errands, came home at 8:15 put things away did a huge amount of dishes because I had been out of dishsoap and nurse the baby before he goes to bed. DH read with the 2,5 and 7 year old and then went down and made sure the 8 and 10 year old had read and were settled in. About the only housework I do after the kids go to bed is folding laundry. IF every day was like yesterday I'd never get anything done at home but we do spend a lot of days just having fun. I like to clean once a week and then it's done but laundry, dishes, packing lunches, cooking supper and running kids to school and Karate take up some time too.

Some days except for running the kids back and forth to school I'm home doing housework and taking care of the little ones, other days we'll run errands 1/2 the day.

6 kids keep me busy. As for working with them I meant sitting down working on the things they woudl learn at school, that's what they go to school for. If I ever decide to homeschool, I'll work with them for now it hasn't been neccesary preschool and school have done it.

Amy

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Fri, 09-01-2006 - 9:25am

We save for retirement through DH's savings plan at work his company matches 100% of what we put in, and I plan to start an IRA for me next year. We don't save for college, we'll help as much as we can but they'll have to work their way through like we would have had to if we finished, we each went 1 year. My DH makes more then the majority of our college graduate friends and has had a savings plan through work for far longer then most of them. We live in a low COL area in Ohio. We are not in huge debt, car and house are it. We do have a loan out through his 401K but the interest gets paid back directly to the account there are no loan fees or anything and the payment comes right out of his check.

We also get a large tax return in February and that pays for memberships, work around the house things we may not be able to do monthly.

Amy

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Fri, 09-01-2006 - 9:30am

"Most" Americans don't have degrees, but the vast majproty have at least some post-secondary education. Plus, the rates of college graduation have increased with each generation, so the poster's generation is going to have the highest rates of college graduation yet.

Here is census data that breaks education down by age and includes "some college". For people 35-37 (in 1998, at least) 61.2% of men and 66.8% of women had at lest some college education. Clearly, the 1/3 who do not are going to be at a disadvantage in the job market.

http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0043/twps0043.html#Top

Just for interest, if you look back by decade, the increase in education is striking, but not unpredictable. For women, some college or more:

born 1968 - 66.8%
born 1958 - 58.3%
born 1948 - 57.7%
born 1938 - 45.1%
born 1928 - 32.3%

I'm guessing that the rates of gaining at least some college education will be over 70% for current 20-somethings. It is hard to imagine a young adult with only a HS diploma being competetive for anything but the least paid, unskilled jobs.

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Fri, 09-01-2006 - 9:31am

i think what's even more troubling is family/society's lack of interest in the child....sure,college is important. ita!! but if we're just going to smother some notion that college alone is required without reaching out to a child's strengths,potential or individual interest,you've got a lost kid who just goes to college without direction.

i'm happy to have a graphic arts degree to fall back on,there's something going on personally that this degree helps with. but 20+ years ago,i didn't know what i wanted. there was little to no direction so i sort of picked graphic design from a list of categories......and i don't want my kid experiencing that. my kids,as do all children,need to be supported and reminded of what their strengths are. and that relishment will lead kids where they need to go.

 

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