SAH doesn't support change,

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SAH doesn't support change,
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Sat, 08-26-2006 - 4:58pm

"SAH doesn't support change, it supports going backwards to the 1950's,"

Statement in a post below.

I wholeheartedly disagree. To me, SAH is a choice. How is that going back to the 1950s, when a lot of women didn't have much of a choice.

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Registered: 07-17-2006
Mon, 09-04-2006 - 8:03am

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Most? Do you have any sources for that claim?

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 8:22am

There's a huge difference between starting a new fun family tradition of the annual vacation and a four-year-long commitment to paying for and obtaining a baccalaureate degree.

I can't imagine a child whose parents BOTH did not got to college will have an easy time doing the opposite. I know it happens.

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Registered: 06-09-2006
Mon, 09-04-2006 - 8:24am

"Rather than reinlist and retrain in a less desirable career field, we've chosen to just become civilians."

Aren't you considered a civilian?

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 8:43am

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I didn't say a college degree=maturity. I said 21 did not equal maturity.

Are college graduation rates really this low? Do you have a source for these percentages?

You say most have "resigned themselves to the fact that they will not be getting that degree"--that's an emotion only a little shy of regret. Someone who is "resigned" is likely to say, "I wish I would/could have gone to college" when the subject comes up.

Then you say Punkalicorn's "healthier accepting attitude"--which isn't anything like "resigned to the fact." She doesn't think she needs the degree, whereas someone with a resigned attitude thinks the degree would have been better, but has accepted the fact that he won't be able to get the degree while working full-time, caring for kids, etc.

I agree that resignation is better than regret, but I don't think ignorance is healthy either, as it is likely to reproduce the same results in the next generation.

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 8:52am
That's a big if.

Sabina

Oh, life is a glorious cycle of song,

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 9:07am

Yes, just 2 days ago I provided my source in my post at #747 - info from the US Census Bureau. I'm surprised you didn't read it as it heads this very subthread.

Thanks for the lengthy explanation, but I kind of know what the word "regret" means. My definition is not as, umm, full as yours. And I can't imagine so many people ~ about 73% of US adults ~ regret not getting a college degree when they are so easily obtainable.

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 9:07am

I've conceded this already, and certainly don't claim otherwise.

I can understand this. I'm a SAHM, remember? But even full-time students are rarely in class over 18 hours a week, part-timers around 9.

At the private and state schools I attended, learning the material well for classes required about 2 hours of study for every hour in class. So it's hard for me to imagine someone completing a degree in less time than the usual time while fully benefitting from the education. But I'm sure it happens, and community/junior colleges are typically easier than four year schools.

I apologize. I shouldn't assume that others on the board have the same attitude as I do. I'm constantly learning from others here, and while I'm staunchly SAH, that doesn't prevent me from respecting and learning from the opinions of others here. In fact, I welcome advice, although I certainly don't always act on it--so even when someone whose attitude about SAHM's feels insulting (kbmammm's, for example) I can learn, and even at times, act on reasoned suggestions. A good example is the discussions on saving up money for college--since I paid my own way and have always been proud of that, I always thought I wanted my own children to pay theirs. But after listening to the discussion of others here, I've grown to believe that I want to have the money available for my children, and if they choose to pay their own way, more power to them. But I don't want money to be the reason my children (I'm assuming a second kid, and probably shouldn't!) decide they can't go to school, or can't go to the schools they want to attend.

Again, I'm sorry, and since you're not looking for advice, I will attempt to throw away the didactic part of my personality when I read your messages. I probably should lose that side of my personality here anyway. :)

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 9:19am

In all honesty, I don't find a stat like "73%" relevant here at all.

Sabina

Oh, life is a glorious cycle of song,

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 9:23am
IMO there are many, many more affordable public colleges and universities that are tremendous bargains and great opportunities.

Sabina

Oh, life is a glorious cycle of song,

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 9:48am
I don't share Punkal's views of college or her views of guiding children to a future without college. I'm just trying to deflect some of the bashing going on. I think a lot of it is disingenuous. With some of the, um, typos and posts people write here, I sometimes wonder if those who claim to have such great educations actually do. Regardless, the stats should clarify Punkal is far from alone in her views and employment/academic path.

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