SAH doesn't support change,

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SAH doesn't support change,
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Sat, 08-26-2006 - 4:58pm

"SAH doesn't support change, it supports going backwards to the 1950's,"

Statement in a post below.

I wholeheartedly disagree. To me, SAH is a choice. How is that going back to the 1950s, when a lot of women didn't have much of a choice.

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 4:18pm
And I have to comment on this, since you are the third person to say it. If I am not getting this fabulous experience out of college like you did, I MUST be going to bad school, it's not that perhaps college is a different experience for different people. All I can say to that is.. whatever. :) One of my college professors wrote the freaking textbook and did an entire series on PBS. Another one founded SETI. Bad school though, must be.
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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 4:22pm
For example, my dh's boss started a commercial fishing business in the Monterey Bay, sold it, and is now running dh's business. I know you're going to say blue collar.. if you met this guy, he's all business and zero blue collar. I'm not sure he has ever touched a fishing pole. But he built his business from nothing to being worth over 200 million dollars sans degree. Most small business owners around here have no degrees. And since blue collar things can't count as innovative apparently I'll take that one back. Waiting to see what innovative things your chums do on paper though.
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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 4:24pm
I'm wondering how you can squawk in disbelief here.. I mean seriously, do you even know that many people who don't have degrees? If not, how can you even form an opinion on what is and is not possible?
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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 4:28pm
I also posted some stats from teh census that showed two important facts that tinderbox?? is conveniently ignoring. As you point out, the "some college" is an important category because this would include associates degrees, technical college, diplomas, etc, and the vast majority of adult have gone at least this far in their education. Sceond, the rates of both "some college or more" and "bachelor's degrees" are increasing with each generation. For a 20-something it is even more important to get "some college" or a degree because the job market will be filled with people with at least that much. A young person with only a high school diploma is at a far greater disatvantage in teh job market today than a similar person was 20 years ago, 40 years ago, 60 years ago, etc.
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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 4:29pm
Neither one. I am just perturbed that so many people are snobs about having a college degree. It's not useless, but it's also not necessary for everyone. It bothers me that so many people are SURE their kids will go to college, without ever once thinking about whether or not their kids are suited for college. What if your kid hates every single minute of school until the day they graduate 12th grade? What if your kid only learns kinetically? It's almost as bad as some of those kids who end up in med school thinking.. hey, I didn' even WANT to be a doctor, what am I doing here?
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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 4:30pm
This isn't just about a degree. It is about having a education that produces a marketable skill. If I am not mistaken, your DH has post-high school training that enables him to work in a specific field, right? Same as my DH. A very different thing than saying that a high school diploma and a good work ethic are enough to earn a living wage for a family.
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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 4:32pm
About half. I went to University out of high school, and attended actual classes in an actual classroom. Right now I'm taking as many as I can online because of gas prices, but it's not an online school, it's a real school that also offers online classes.
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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 4:35pm

Sure

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/2003/section3/indicator21.asp

On average, first-time recipients of bachelor's degrees in 1999–2000 who had not stopped out of college for 6 months or more took about 55 months from first enrollment to degree completion. Graduates who had attended multiple institutions took longer to complete a degree. For example, those who attended only one institution averaged 51 months between postsecondary entry and completion of a bachelor's degree, compared with 59 months for those who attended two institutions and 67 months for those who attended three or more institutions. This pattern was found among graduates of both public and private not-for-profit institutions.

Students who begin at public 2-year institutions must transfer to another institution in order to complete a 4-year degree. Students who did so took about a year and one-half longer to complete a bachelor's degree than students who began at public 4-year institutions (71 versus 55 months), and almost 2 years longer than those who began at private not-for-profit 4-year institutions (50 months). The type of institution from which graduates received a degree was also related to time to degree: graduates of public institutions averaged about 6 months longer to complete a degree than graduates of private not-for-profit institutions (57 vs. 51 months; see table 21-1).

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 4:36pm

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I totally agree with this post and your previous one.

It's funny how some people can be all about how SAH/WOH is a choice and whatever is best for that family is best blah blah blah, but if you don't get a college education or don't do it in the way they think you should, you are either stupid, immature, or ignorant. Oh yeah, or you're going to a crappy school.

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Mon, 09-04-2006 - 4:37pm
What happens to the dumb as a rock 20 year old when they have a child that makes them a smarter and a better student?

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