SAHMs: can't do anything right
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| Wed, 12-06-2006 - 8:11am |
I've noticed in the lifestyles thread that almost everything SAHM's do is immediately knocked down or one-upped. I don't see that the same is true for the WOHM's on the thread. Some examples:
If a SAHM cleans the house during the day, she isn't spending quality time with her children, or any more time with her children than do WOHM's. If she doesn't clean the house, she is being overinvolved with her children and interacting too much with them; she's not giving them time for free play.
If a SAHM teaches her children, she is an overachiever who is trying to produce an Einstein, not allowing her children to develop at their own rate, buying into commercialism. If she doesn't teach her children, she is just leaving them to their own devices while she gets "me time" or isn't providing them with the opportunities that daycare or preschool provides.
If a SAHM tries to socialize her children by letting them interact with other children on a regular basis, that's very nice, but kids of WOHM's in day care get MORE interaction, which is obviously BETTER. If a SAHM doesn't plan plenty of socialization activities, she isn't preparing her children for school.
If a SAHM tries to schedule regular activities and outings for her children, she's producing "jaded" children, forgoing a routine, "working too hard," wasting time driving around, and not providing enough time for her children to explore and investigate their own environment. If she doesn't schedule regular activities and outings, then her children are deprived of the many wonderful, exciting experiences that all day cares have to offer.
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So tell me, WOHM's, is there anything short of returning to work that SAHM's could do right?

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My question was in reference to WOH/SAH parents. If you had followed the thread correctly then you would have known that.
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But not WOH parents. Not to mention that WAHP also have this benefit. See not unique to WOH.
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No it isn't. It is also for the WAHP. It is also available to anyone. Like I stated about my mother.
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If this is the best you have as to being unique, then I will most definately say that when it comes to parenting nothing is unique about WOH. Saving tax free has little to do with parenting a child.
"It isn't that I am speculating. I am just asking you to back up what you say in order to be able to prove it."
I posted one link already that references this.
This is in a discussion of 40 years of research on maternal employment.
http://parenthood.library.wisc.edu/Hoffman/Hoffman.html
"Conclusions
Twenty years ago, it would have seemed strange to give a talk on maternal employment and not focus on it as a social problem, but there is little in these data to suggest it is. The mother's employment status does have effects on families and children, but few of these effects are negative ones. Indeed, most seem positive -- the higher academic outcomes for children, benefits in their behavioral conduct and social adjustment, and the higher sense of competence and effectiveness in daughters."
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No, it's not.
PumpkinAngel
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That's wonderful, however it didn't state that as you can clearly see.
PumpkinAngel
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LOL whatever you say.
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Well you keep posting about my posting style. I just don't get it.
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Well I can see why you would be confused. It wasn't directed to you. Maybe that is the problem. You are confused.
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Can you clarify?
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Oh so it is only DC?
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Just so we are clear. I wasn't speaking about WOH. We were debating WOHP not just WOH. Not to mention that contributing to a 401K isn't unique.
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Then your statements are really applying to the debate at hand. We were debating how SAH accomplish nothing unique. I asked her what did WOH accomplish. We were speaking of working parents. SAHM can most certainly contribute to a retirement fund. While it may not be a 401K they may be able to contribute to a retirement fund.
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No it wasn't answered. You didn't follow the context of the posts towards someone else. You jumped in really late. I can see your confusion. But you did say that you were following the posts. I guess you weren't.
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No you didn't. The context was about SAH/WOH parents. You can deny that as long as you like. Doesn't change the context whatsoever.
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How could I ignore something that wasn't asked of me? She didn't ask me. SAB did and I answered. Although you accused me of ignoring her too.
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What are you talking about accurately answered?
<http://parenthood.library.wisc.edu/Hoffman/Hoffman.html: "Conclusions
Twenty years ago, it would have seemed strange to give a talk on maternal employment and not focus on it as a social problem, but there is little in these data to suggest it is. The mother's employment status does have effects on families and children, but few of these effects are negative ones. Indeed, most seem positive -- the higher academic outcomes for children, benefits in their behavioral conduct and social adjustment, and the higher sense of competence and effectiveness in daughters.">
Wait, how is this any better than the commentary monarchangel posted from actual research? I got the impression you just wanted the stats when she gave you the researchers' conclusions.
So why don't you just post some of Hoffman's relevant stats so we can draw our own conclusions about things like the results of daycare on male behavior and the effect of higher SES children being placed in daycare as opposed to having an educated SAH parent.
edited to fix grammar (without success)
Edited 12/13/2006 12:13 am ET by jungle_girl
i see that some of the links are not working properly, which may be causing some of our disagreement here. some of the links were supposed to be to full text studies, but they are only leading to a tiny blip of an abstract - i'm working on that right now.
in the meantime, i've found quite a few references from the articles i've already posted. tehse are references in which the articles are based on, cited from or quoting (indirectly) from what i can see (and i haven't made it through all of them thus far) most are longetudinal studies, some are referncing just more articles. i can post them, but as far as i have found are not available online. but, i'm doing this just so you know that what has been posted has been done with a great deal of study and research, and are most certainly not op-ed pieces. there are approxiamtly 90 more pages of referenced text that i have yet to go through (for relevency).
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