Sarah Palin - To Start a New Thread

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Sarah Palin - To Start a New Thread
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Wed, 09-03-2008 - 12:26pm

Thought I would throw some new meat out there since there's a limit to dishwasher and book list and split personality former-banned member stuff I can read...

So how does Sarah Palin's situation figure into your perspective on the SAH/WOH debate?

I believe that WOH definitely works for my family, and for the most part, tend to favor it in general as a path that is more likely to secure financial stability for families. I'm just stating that as a glossing over of my basic place in the 'debate' to set the stage for my response.

I find Palin interesting. As a fairly liberal feminist, I applaud any woman who reaches that level of Government, particularly in, shall we say, a more 'rugged' state. At the same time, as a fairly liberal feminist, most of her social views tend to scare the bejeezes out of me. But that has to do with the political.

Politics aside, if you merely treated her as a case study, in our own little imaginary sociology class, how does her situation affect/impact you or cause you to react? She is a mom of 5, with a son shipping out to Iraq, a pregnant teen aged daughter, 2 other daughters that are younger, and an infant special needs son.

I do not think any of those things should or should not impact her decision to WOH, in general. However, I *do* have a somewhat negative reaction to the idea of pursuing the VP slot. In her current role, in theory she is also in a high stress job that demands long hours. But I get the impression that her husband is in the more day-to-day family management role. One could posit that living in a small town with lots of family allows her the benefit of a wider net of support.

To me it is one thing to work and find the best thing to work for your family. But I really question the decision to expose my family to the degree of tumult, scrutiny, and change that this degree of position entails. They will have to move to a completely foreign environment. They have no insight as of yet to the degree of care and attention their son may require - it could vary greatly. I just cannot reconcile in my mind a parent making that kind of choice, particularly when she is relatively young and probably has a rising star that promises years of opportunity to come.

I question myself on whether a double standard is being applied - would I have the same reaction given all this news if her husband was the nominee? Hmm - probably not - and that's hard for me to admit. But I also believe that I *should( have the same reaction even if the father is the one making the choices versus the mother, and making things 'equitable' doesn't mean that I should expect less from women - I should start expecting MORE from men.

I don't think any of this has a direct impact on her ability or readiness to govern (although I have tons of opinions on that unrelated to the SAH/WOH thing). But it does give an insight into her judgment, priorities and choices - and I really feel like these apparent choices are ones I just can't support.

I am interested in other opinions and views.



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Thu, 09-04-2008 - 1:29pm

that is So far off the mark about how I feel about Sarah Palin I don't even know where to begin.



i DON"T think she has it or does it all and to be blunt. I dislike her and am cricitacl of her b/c I think she's a right wing conserative fundamentalist fringe candidate who is the absolute antithesis of everything I hold dear to my heart.

 

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Thu, 09-04-2008 - 1:41pm

I dislike her politics as well, but I was talking more about the media reports of women who criticize her for things other than her views. I never said you were among them or that all women who disliked her did so because they were jealous. In fact, that's why I began my post with the phrase "politics aside," meaning that if we take politics out of the equation, those who criticize her for other reasons usually do so for the reasons I gave. And I stand by that POV. There was an article in the Boston Globe this morning discussing this very issue. I found the complaints about her shallow, to say the least, but I think they're unfortunately rather common.


I know you live in a "blue" state, as do I, but the three years I spent in Texas were an eye-opener when it came to this sort of thing. There are lots and lots of women (and men) who simply hate competent women. They may have political arguments as well, but the biggest and most frequent remark I heard about Hilary Clinton when I was living in TX was that she wasn't "feminine." So maybe your educated friends dislike Sarah Palin for her politics alone, but there are plenty who just don't like her for who she is.


And I hope that all of these reasons will add up to McCain losing the election, but I think it's too early to tell. Both candidates have time to do something stupid and hang themselves.

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Thu, 09-04-2008 - 1:44pm

Ok thanks for the clarification and apologies for my quick reading -- I THOUGHT that seemed off coming from you! LOL


 

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Thu, 09-04-2008 - 1:45pm

LOL I don't concede she does anything better than I do! Just can't stand her politics.


You don't really think she's the primary parent, do you?

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Thu, 09-04-2008 - 1:49pm

"There are lots and lots of women (and men) who simply hate competent women."


So how did Ann Richards and Kay Bailey Hutchison get elected?


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Thu, 09-04-2008 - 2:19pm

I am not critical of Sarah Palin the person. I have an idea we could be pretty good friends in real life. She appeals to me personally.

I could not vote for her because about 98% of her political ideas are the exact opposite of mine. But I couldn't vote for my real life best friend, either.

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Thu, 09-04-2008 - 2:28pm

I won't vote for her based on her views. Her family decisions are her own to

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Thu, 09-04-2008 - 2:56pm


I was thinking the same thing--my experience has been that Texans LIKE strong and competent women. My guess is that the "pit bull in lipstick" line that Palin ad-libbed into her speech played well even in non-evangelical communities across the nation. . . you know, those communities where folks cling bitterly to their guns and religion?


I think--in my uneducated and often-wrong opinion--a third of Hillary supporters are up for grabs. They aren't strong pro-choicers or even necessarily feminists. They're the so-called Reagan Democrats who voted for Bill Clinton and supported Hillary because they saw her (by the end of the campaign) as more centrist than Obama. They aren't stupid and won't vote for McCain because Palin's on the ticket, but they'll give him another look because she is.

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Thu, 09-04-2008 - 3:09pm

I would not vote for her because of her views not because she is a mother of 5 children.

Jess


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Thu, 09-04-2008 - 3:18pm
Good point. Most people in high or demanding jobs have someone else functioning as a "wife," either male or female.

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