"I totally disagree, they aren't strangers. I haven't read one single comment in this thread that supports that statement. Not one single person has stated that they pulled a complete stranger off the street asked them to clean their house or care for their children."
The first time that someone hires a cleaning service, is that person a stranger or not?
"No, I wouldn't do that with my mail. But I do trust my confidential information with different people with whom I have a relationship and I have hired."
That's basically what one is doing when they let strangers have access to their home.
I refer to him as "the neighbor boy" because he's my neighbor, a boy, and I am not about to reveal his actual name on a message board.
"Don't you think that those people also think the same way? Or are they not on the same intellectual plane as the person outsourcing?"
I think they DO think the same way. I aslo suspect that quite a lot of them outsource their own menial and mundane chores that they are able to do. The odds are that most of them have paid somebody else to make their coffee even though brewing coffee at home and bringing it in a travel mug is easy and...mundane. Some of them have probably paid others to shovel their snow or rake their leaves (perhaps a "neighbor boy" of their own). But now I think we're getting to the core of the ideology with the "or are they not on the same intellectual plane as the person outsourcing?" I cleaned houses myself while in college- not as part of a cleaning service but just answering want ads from individuals looking for that. These people hired me even though I wasn't bonded or licensed or part of any organization. Trustworthy face, I suppose. Maybe times have changed in the intervening 25 years. So I'm not carrying baggage that one must be (or be presumed by others to be) on a lesser intellectual plane than myself. You seem to be making the assumption that when people outsource, they assume that the people they hire are intellectually unable to do anything but these jobs. I haven't made that assumption (having done it myself). So I don't assume that others make it either. Bringing "intellectual plane" into it is your own baggage about why people do the jobs they do. Unlike Charles "Bell Curve" Murray, I don't think that people who do jobs that require little training are mentally unable to do anything else.
"And I'm curious as to wehy you outsource a menial and mundane task to the "neigbor boy". Do you have children of your own?". I do. I have a 6yo dd. Her current abilities regarding the snow shoveling and leaf raking are still in the "cute but ineffective" stage. I have high hopes for 10 years from now. Being a teenage boy rather than a middle aged woman, he is rather stronger than I am and so can do these tasks with less muscle strain and fatigue and also do them faster. (Although there is a case to be made for them as a form of exercise for me. But ah well.) And when it comes to snow shoveling, it's cold! He seems rather less bothered by the cold than I am. As I remember being at his age. He is also rather glad to get money (I pay well) that does not require getting an offical job and that he can do or not do depending on his current schedule. And when it comes to leaf raking, he can do it whenever it suits his schedule- something that few jobs allow.
My school-aged children are 7 and 6. Dd is not the only one in activities, but right now, my 6 y/o is only playing indoor soccer. School activities are not offered to kindergarteners, and there aren't any other activities that we feel are necessary for him right now. He is in school half day so he either comes home, does his wee bit of homework then plays all afternoon with his younger brother, or he has a friend over from school/goes to someone else's house afterschool. He is extremely active and his main interest is playing outside - basketball, baseball or riding his scooter/bike. Next year, he'll be allowed to sign up for afterschool activities so we will take advantage of that.
I do not want my kids to be overscheduled, nor do I want to be running around every evening, so their afterschool activities right now are limited to what is offered at school or in the early evening (finished by 6:30pm). I do realize that things will change as they get older, that is why I asked how old your kids are.
We had to have a new muffler put on the car on Monday. I left the car at the muffler shop and walked to work. The employees at the shop had my car, the car key (not however the house key as that is on another keyring), and my address all day long. We do/take things on trust every day of our lives. Collectively, we have to. Otherwise, we would all be paranoids, locked into our own houses, never venturing out.
It was stated with an lol at the end of the sentence. If that poster wanted something done right (to her specifications) she should have done it herself. That's all.
sure i could be doing 1000 more constructive things. It is/was my FREE period. I graded some papers. It's Friday, I'm tired. I don't feel like grading anymore. They're not getting them back until Monday, so i don't know WHY i have to justify to you why I'm not doing anything "educational" at the moment. I feel like taking a break. As a professional, I know when I can and can not do that.
Don't worry. As a 17-year veteran teacher, I'm WELL aware of my responsibilities to my students.
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"I totally disagree, they aren't strangers. I haven't read one single comment in this thread that supports that statement. Not one single person has stated that they pulled a complete stranger off the street asked them to clean their house or care for their children."
The first time that someone hires a cleaning service, is that person a stranger or not?
"No, I wouldn't do that with my mail. But I do trust my confidential information with different people with whom I have a relationship and I have hired."
That's basically what one is doing when they let strangers have access to their home.
I refer to him as "the neighbor boy" because he's my neighbor, a boy, and I am not about to reveal his actual name on a message board.
"Don't you think that those people also think the same way? Or are they not on the same intellectual plane as the person outsourcing?"
I think they DO think the same way. I aslo suspect that quite a lot of them outsource their own menial and mundane chores that they are able to do. The odds are that most of them have paid somebody else to make their coffee even though brewing coffee at home and bringing it in a travel mug is easy and...mundane. Some of them have probably paid others to shovel their snow or rake their leaves (perhaps a "neighbor boy" of their own). But now I think we're getting to the core of the ideology with the "or are they not on the same intellectual plane as the person outsourcing?" I cleaned houses myself while in college- not as part of a cleaning service but just answering want ads from individuals looking for that. These people hired me even though I wasn't bonded or licensed or part of any organization. Trustworthy face, I suppose. Maybe times have changed in the intervening 25 years. So I'm not carrying baggage that one must be (or be presumed by others to be) on a lesser intellectual plane than myself. You seem to be making the assumption that when people outsource, they assume that the people they hire are intellectually unable to do anything but these jobs. I haven't made that assumption (having done it myself). So I don't assume that others make it either. Bringing "intellectual plane" into it is your own baggage about why people do the jobs they do. Unlike Charles "Bell Curve" Murray, I don't think that people who do jobs that require little training are mentally unable to do anything else.
"And I'm curious as to wehy you outsource a menial and mundane task to the "neigbor boy". Do you have children of your own?". I do. I have a 6yo dd. Her current abilities regarding the snow shoveling and leaf raking are still in the "cute but ineffective" stage. I have high hopes for 10 years from now. Being a teenage boy rather than a middle aged woman, he is rather stronger than I am and so can do these tasks with less muscle strain and fatigue and also do them faster. (Although there is a case to be made for them as a form of exercise for me. But ah well.) And when it comes to snow shoveling, it's cold! He seems rather less bothered by the cold than I am. As I remember being at his age. He is also rather glad to get money (I pay well) that does not require getting an offical job and that he can do or not do depending on his current schedule. And when it comes to leaf raking, he can do it whenever it suits his schedule- something that few jobs allow.
My school-aged children are 7 and 6. Dd is not the only one in activities, but right now, my 6 y/o is only playing indoor soccer. School activities are not offered to kindergarteners, and there aren't any other activities that we feel are necessary for him right now. He is in school half day so he either comes home, does his wee bit of homework then plays all afternoon with his younger brother, or he has a friend over from school/goes to someone else's house afterschool. He is extremely active and his main interest is playing outside - basketball, baseball or riding his scooter/bike. Next year, he'll be allowed to sign up for afterschool activities so we will take advantage of that.
I do not want my kids to be overscheduled, nor do I want to be running around every evening, so their afterschool activities right now are limited to what is offered at school or in the early evening (finished by 6:30pm). I do realize that things will change as they get older, that is why I asked how old your kids are.
My other two are almost 2 and almost 4.
Forgive me if this is a double post...I don't think it posted the first time.
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PumpkinAngel
We had to have a new muffler put on the car on Monday. I left the car at the muffler shop and walked to work. The employees at the shop had my car, the car key (not however the house key as that is on another keyring), and my address all day long. We do/take things on trust every day of our lives. Collectively, we have to. Otherwise, we would all be paranoids, locked into our own houses, never venturing out.
Chris
The truth may be out there but lies are in your head. Terry Pratchett
sure i could be doing 1000 more constructive things. It is/was my FREE period. I graded some papers. It's Friday, I'm tired. I don't feel like grading anymore. They're not getting them back until Monday, so i don't know WHY i have to justify to you why I'm not doing anything "educational" at the moment. I feel like taking a break. As a professional, I know when I can and can not do that.
Don't worry. As a 17-year veteran teacher, I'm WELL aware of my responsibilities to my students.
Carole
Why does it matter if the housekeeping is thinking those things?
PumpkinAngel
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